Romania - Caile Ferate Romane

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CFRiad wrote:Part four of the CFR series about periods IV and V (1970 - 2000): short-haul and suburban/commuter cars for domestic service only (not RIC compliant)

Series 11-47/21-47 These suburban cars were built in the 70’s. All first class and most (~850) second class units were built in Romania. About 180 second class units were imported from Poland. They are 24.5 metres long, otherwise they look a bit like the German Silberlings. The cars have radiant heating using steam and single voltage (1500 V AC) electric heat sources. The Romanian-made cars have a ribbed roof and exposed access stairs. The units made in Poland have smooth roofs and the car body projects downwards to encase the access stairs.
It's a car very similar to type 120A. Both of them were produced by PaFaWag in Wrocław in seventies (120A until mid-eighties). We had a lot of those in Poland, mostly used in regional trafic, and some of them are still in use today. Two easily noticeable differences are triangular protrusions near doors - Polish version doesn't have them - and windows with tilting upper part - Polish 120A has upper part shifting down past the lower part (so three decades ago, when many trains were *really* crowded, fit and slim people were able to get inside through the windows to get a sitting place - and it's not a joke). Those two features of the Romanian version were inherited from earlier Polish car - 43A (colloquialy known as "ryflak" - the ribbed one). According to InfoRail website another important difference were bogies - licensed Minden-Deutz instead of Polish 4ANc.

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Here for comparison a picture of the Romanian one.

A TT model of 120A is produced by Maciej Turkowski - Matu Model. Image
The price stated at the website is 55 EUR for a kit (assuming 1 EUR = 4,20 PLN; ready to run Polish cars are from 83 to 107 EUR). The question is wheather Minden-Deutz bogies of the variety used in Romanian version of this car are avaliable in TT (+different windows, triangular protrusions and most probably modifications of the interior of the car).
[Edit: I have uploaded the image of the model as an attachment, because otherwise some advertisement was displayed instead of an image - probably server checks HTTP Referer header as a defence against hotlinking]

As for the Gags model manufactured by Karsei, the original cars were made by UV Arad in Romania (dr-wagen database says: year 1964/65) and imported to East Germany. So as far as the export version for DDR was identical to the domestic one then all you have to do is to print decals. :-)
CFRiad wrote:Part 7 of the CFR periods 4-5 (1970 - 2000)
Zas - four-axle tanker car with, if I remember correctly, double insulated walls. And now, Ladies and Gentlemen, drum roll please: an actual TT model made by Tillig (art. #15468). Cue in the fireworks and the uplifting orchestral music.
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Well, Tillig's mold shows a German car after some modernisation (made probably in the period of DB AG). AFAIK original version made in 70s had only two ribs (the first and the last one - fortunately those are the ones that seem to match the Romanian car). Does length of the model matches the original?
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Matu Model - http://matu.c0.pl/

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LemingAnadyrski wrote:so three decades ago, when many trains were *really* crowded, fit and slim people were able to get inside through the windows to get a sitting place - and it's not a joke.
I know it is not a joke. It happened often on the CFR network too. Probably the reason for designing the narrow folding windows was exactly this one.

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LemingAnadyrski wrote: It's a car very similar to type 120A.
A TT model of 120A is produced by Maciej Turkowski - Matu Model.
The question is wheather Minden-Deutz bogies of the variety used in Romanian version of this car are avaliable in TT (+different windows, triangular protrusions and most probably modifications of the interior of the car).
Thanks for this very useful information. Even though kitbashing is not easy, we are a step closer than before.

I am not aware of any CFR-type Minden-Deutz bogie available in TT. All TT models of CFR cars I saw had the later Goerlitz VI bogies. We might have to held our noses and just use them. I will have to look at the Kuehn and Tillig catalogues to see if any of their period 3-4 DR cars have Minden-Deutz bogies or similar.

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Hello
I am the starter of RoTT project and I collect to go into international expositions some CFR loks and cars:
Here is a DA, an LDH (both made by Nicky Stama) and a Te4 car system made by Szeles Joszef
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That's nice

I like how the first class passengers get a little more room than the second. :)

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I meant to update this post for a few month now, but I didn't get around to it. Life, I guess... Anyways, so it goes...

A big (huge?) evolution for TT scale modelling of Romanian railways: our friends at MTB released a model of the 060 diesel-electric loco of the Romanian railways. It has the original body and the late 2000's livery of CFR Călători, the government-owned passenger railway operator.

Some of these locos were rebuilt with Caterpillar engines, variable frequency drives, asynchronous 3-phase motors, 1500 V AC head-end power generators and air-conditioned cabs. The originals had Sultzer V12 engines, variable voltage drives, DC series motors and no head-end power.
CFRiad wrote:060/061 series (formerly DA/DA1 series) 6-axle diesel electrical locomotives (axle formula Co'-Co') had a maximum power of 2,100 HP. The first six units were built in Switzerland by joint venture between Brown-Boveri and SLM Wintherthur. The following ~1400 units were built in Romania for CFR, with another 1000 units for export to Bulgaria, China and Poland. The 60/61 series are identical except the maximum allowable speed: 100 and 120 km/h respectively. They were/are used in passenger and freight service on all non-electrified main lines. They lacked train heating and needed a steam generating car to heat passenger trains.
Unit 060-DA-0001 built in 1959 in Switzerland
Unit 060-DA-0001 built in 1959 in Switzerland
Later unit in 2000's livery for CFR Călători
Later unit in 2000's livery for CFR Călători
TT model by MTB
TT model by MTB

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Updated availability list in 1st post
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