Czechoslovakia - Ceskoslovenske Statne Drahy

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Christtking wrote:..., I think you've heard stories.
You mean, aside from growing up in GDR? :wink:
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LVG1 wrote:You mean this photo?

The locomotive is extremely clean and wears an additional tag. So it's obviously kind of presentation run with additional non-ordinary lettering.

Hammer and sickle only symbolized Soviet Union, not entire Socialism.
It's extremely improbable that this emblem was present in regular service in Czechoslovakia.
...or can you imagine that Amtrak would decorate their locomotives with red maple leafs?
At first I thought it was a temporary "decoration" for "celebrating" bolshevik revolution or something like that - and I wanted to mention it here earlier. It was not a part of the standard paint scheme.
But then I looked at the other photos and found out, that this "decoration" was present on both engines for a longer time, maybe during their entire service at CSD. It was there for sure in 1974 and until 1976.
Christtking's observation was correct and it is supposed to be on the model if you want to have it 100% correct. Czechoslovakia was occupied by Soviet forces since 1968. Perhaps someone wanted to please the "masters"?
Additional pictures are at this site: http://www.prototypy.cz/zobrgal.php?gal ... e=T679_2g0

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Were these 2 locomotives based on the 130 or 131?
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ConducTTor wrote:Were these 2 locomotives based on the 130 or 131?
They were based on 131. Length 20620 mm, max. speed 100 km/h.

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ConducTTor wrote:Were these 2 locomotives based on the 130 or 131?
They were a mixture of both.
Series 130 had a top speed of 140 km/h (87 mph) and was equipped with dynamic braking.
Series 131 had a top speed of only 100 km/h (62 mph) but lacked dynamic braking.
These were the only differences between both.

The Czechoslovakian version had a top speed of 100 km/h but was equipped with dynamic braking (like the Bulgarian version).
But these two locomotives had another very individual feature:
They had the large windshields of early series 130 but the small cab-side windows of later series 130 and entire series 131. They were the only locomotives with this combination of windows.
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^^^ Aha! Those are the reasons I couldn't figure out which series it was. Thanks!


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Christtking wrote:...
You could find those on this board, TT scale models, Kuehn section. :doh:

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Talking about GDR-made double deckers in Czechoslovakia, I'm also adding some pictures.

From 1961 to 1965, ČSD received 50 four-segment articulated trains from Waggonbau Görlitz. This image shows the first batch (20 trains, made in 1961 / 1962). The other 30 trains (made in 1965) had a Czechoslovakian style conductor compartment at one end.
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And in 1976, ČSD got 50 of these double-decker coaches.
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Some comments to make the recent two posts more easily utilizable:

1st and 3rd images:
These cars are GDR-made Y-type sleeping cars taken out of a series for Soviet Union.
They're described here.

2nd image:
That's one of the regular Y-type sleeping cars for Czechoslovakia made in GDR. From 1965 through 1985, Czechoslovakia received 120 units of this type in four slightly differing batches. The differences mainly included the arrangement of roof top mountings and the arrangement of "Beds free / Beds occupied" signs. All of these cars had Görlitz V trucks. They were made by Waggonbau Görlitz (first and fourth batches) and by Waggonbau Bautzen (second and third batches).
The first batch of 16 cars had additional windows for the heating rooms and was delivered with second pairs of trucks for Soviet broad gauge. So they were mainly used in trains towards Soviet Union.

There are Y-type sleeping cars available in TT scale. But I don't know, if they fit one of the batches for Czechoslovakia.

The first batch was delivered in a dark blue color. But they were later recolored into the same lighter tone of blue which also the other batches had from the beginning. Other liveries were only introduced after Czechoslovakia had been disappeared.

4th image:
This is an especially curious car. It's a combined couchette coach with kitchen and dining room. Waggonbau Bautzen (WB) made 20 units of these Z-type cars (26.4 meters long [86 feet 7 1/3 inches]) in 1984. But what was their purpose?

Foreign currency was always short in Eastern Bloc—especially western currency.
This car should help save it. It was meant for travelers' groups. They could park the car at their destination on a freely accessible side track and use it as hotel. And they could prepare their food brought along from Czechoslovakia in this car's kitchen. So they had to spend very few foreign money in a foreign country. Preferably, these cars were intended for trips to Western Europe. But they were also used within Eastern Bloc.
I don't know if this idea could settle. May be, these cars were also used in regular services.

Constructively, these cars were almost identical to the second-class Z-type coaches delivered two years later. There was only one window omited (on one side; I'm not informed about the other side) and a different interior installed.
These second-class Z-type coaches are available in TT scale. So there's a possibility to model these cars conducting the same alterations.

5th image:
Here you can see a combined first and second class coach of the UIC type Y. Concerning its running number, it belongs to the batch of 1965 from Waggonbau Bautzen (WB). They were the first cars of this type made. Czechoslovakia was the first country receiving Y-type cars from GDR.

All together, 298 units of these mixed first and second-class Y-type coaches were made for Czechoslovakia from 1965 through 1973. They were all equipped with Görlitz V trucks.
The first five units were pre-production cars. They were made in 1964 and delivered to Czechoslovakia in 1965. They were blue and white when delivered but later recolored. The standard color until the end of Czechoslovakia was green.
TT-scale models of them are available.

But this photo confuses me a little bit. This car lacks in a door. Obviously, it has been altered, eventually.
All of these cars were delivered with doors at both ends on both sides.

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This type of GDR-made Y-type dining cars was only delivered to Czechoslovakia. 53 units of them were made in two batches in 1969 / 1970 (25 units) and 1976 (28 units). Waggonbau Bautzen (WB) simply took their chassis and carbodies out of the respective series of sleeping cars, omited the doors at one end, installed larger last windows at this end, closed (no!, omited) the middle window on one side, omited the "Beds free / Beds occupied" signs and installed proper dining car interiors. Both batches differed mainly by a different arrangement of roof top mountings. Just like the sleeping cars, they were also blue.

The Y-type sleeping cars available in TT scale can be used as basis for an alteration to get such car in TT.
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