Santa Fe hoppers

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Hi Ian

It looks good.
I would recommend spray paint, flat finish half-mat, and injection molded trucks (MTB or Art&Detail).
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Is the rough surface from the paint or at the model?
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I've started building one of these hoppers and I have a question about the ladders. Are they supposed to follow the angle of the sides, so they slope in towards the bottom, or should they be spaced away from the body somehow at the bottom to remain vertical? I'm guessing the latter but with the kit as built this isn't possble without adding some kind of spacer. Ian's picture above of the model shows the ladder sloping in with the body, whereas the prototype photos show them vertical, as far as I can make out.
The same question probably applies to the short ladders too.

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I think that the photos of the prototype show very nicely the correct position of the ladders.

When I see the pictures of Ian's model (again), I would recommend not to print the "Santa Fe" text in the herald in yellow. It would look better if it was left without any print (transparent), making it match the yellow color of the car.

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One question:
Was this a special design for ATSF or did other railroads buy those gondolas too?
I tried to ask Google - without any luck. The only results I got were ATSF.

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j p wrote:I would recommend not to print the "Santa Fe" text in the herald in yellow. It would look better if it was left without any print (transparent), making it match the yellow color of the car.
I agree with JP...
Color matching the decal yellow to the painted yellow is quite difficult.

I didn't do these as decals... let me take a look.
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j p wrote:Was this a special design for ATSF or did other railroads buy those gondolas too?
I tried to ask Google - without any luck. The only results I got were ATSF.
ATSF [full stop]
These cars were custom-designed for dedicated unit-train service between the York Canyon coal mine in New Mexico, and the Kaiser steel plant in Fontana California (now site of the Auto Club Speedway racetrack!)

They -did- get repainted...
Ga-152 in 1978
Ga-152 in 1978
and when the steel mill closed, were re-purposed into scrap hauling and other duties.
Ga-152 in 2006
Ga-152 in 2006
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There are a few " minor discrepancies " with the model.

1/ The side rib at the ends are too shallow and do not allow the left hand side ladder to sit straight.
2/ The 2nd, 3rd and bottom end bracing ribs should all be equal length to allow the end ladder to sit straight.

The rough finish on my painted model, particularly the yellow end, is due to my lousy paint job as I was leaning to adjust to the Tru-color acrylics and after having used Floquil paint for 30+ years.

One other contributing factor is the urethane body. The original master, built in the 80's, has long since gone to the scrapyard due to warping, etc so, all castings done since I resurrected this ancient project some 10 years back have been done from 2nd and 3rd generation 'masters'.

I believe that both BN & DRGW had similar cars

Ian
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Photo from Bill Mosteller's " Great Decals " website

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TiTan downunder wrote:There are a few " minor discrepancies " with the model.

1/ The side rib at the ends are too shallow and do not allow the left hand side ladder to sit straight.
2/ The 2nd, 3rd and bottom end bracing ribs should all be equal length to allow the end ladder to sit straight.
My solution has been to stick some thin brass and styrene packing strips to the ribs. Hopefully they won't be too noticeable once the model is painted.

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Ian, your photo shows a different type of car :)
I see another minor problem with it. The model is made out of two cast parts. I believe that their length matched on the masters. It is not the same on the kit. If I align them on one end, they get misaligned on the other end.
I think that the best would be to cut the bottom part in two and glue them together again.

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