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AI in model railroading? Yes, indeed!

Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2022 2:56 pm
by jpachl
Have not posted in this forum for quite a while. Those, who still remember my older postings or follow my accounts on Flickr, Deviantart, or Instagram, know that I made many photo scenes in which I combined model photos with virtual backgrounds or environments. At first, I used edited photos, later I preferred screenshots from computer games. For this, I collaborated with several artists from the in-game photo community. Unfortunately, most of these partners have either moved to other platforms or switched to another kind of digital art.

As a brand new development, AI-based picture generators have now become available for everybody. That offers me the fascinating opportunity to create my own virtual pictures to be used with my model scenes. Below is the first result. The background picture with the large warehouse structure was completely created by the Midjourney AI engine.

ImageSorting cars at the warehouse by Jörn Pachl, auf Flickr

In the future, this could also be interesting for 'normal' model railroaders, e.g., for making backdrop pictures.

Re: AI in model railroading? Yes, indeed!

Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2022 4:43 am
by RodTT
That's very impressive.

Re: AI in model railroading? Yes, indeed!

Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:34 pm
by ConducTTor
I'm scared of AI...what could go wrong lol? Other than that, the image is incredible as is your usual interpretation of real models with backgrounds.

Re: AI in model railroading? Yes, indeed!

Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:43 pm
by areibel
ConducTTor wrote: Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:34 pm I'm scared of AI...what could go wrong lol?
Did you ever watch Colossus, the Forbin Project? It's an old movie (1970) but they gave a view on AI way back then!

And excellent work on the photos!

Re: AI in model railroading? Yes, indeed!

Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2022 7:15 pm
by ConducTTor
areibel wrote: Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:43 pm
ConducTTor wrote: Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:34 pm I'm scared of AI...what could go wrong lol?
Did you ever watch Colossus, the Forbin Project? It's an old movie (1970) but they gave a view on AI way back then!
Haven't seen it but appreciate the suggestion :thumbup:

Re: AI in model railroading? Yes, indeed!

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:41 am
by Bigelov
Very interesting Joern. Are you able to specify the angle of the view, or is it up to the AI?

Makes you much less dependent on other peoples screenshots to create these pieces, so much more freedom in that respect.

Re: AI in model railroading? Yes, indeed!

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:36 pm
by jpachl
Bigelov wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:41 am Very interesting Joern. Are you able to specify the angle of the view, or is it up to the AI?
You can not directly specify the angle of viewing but you can give the AI some advice of how the viewing angle and the light should look like. The AI offers you several variations of the picture (usually 4). Then, you pick the version you like most and let the AI make more variations from this. You may repeat that procedure until having a picture that fits to your idea. That picture can then be upscaled and improved in quality.

Here is how the first answer of the AI on my request looked like:
midjourney.JPG
From this, I selected the right picture in the upper row to make more variations.

Re: AI in model railroading? Yes, indeed!

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:41 pm
by jpachl
ConducTTor wrote: Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:34 pm I'm scared of AI...
Yes, it is indeed a bit scary that you can create such a picture without drawing a single line just by telling the AI with key words of how the picture should look like. And this is just the beginning.

Re: AI in model railroading? Yes, indeed!

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:15 pm
by ConducTTor
jpachl wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:41 pm
ConducTTor wrote: Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:34 pm I'm scared of AI...
Yes, it is indeed a bit scary that you can create such a picture without drawing a single line just by telling the AI with key words of how the picture should look like. And this is just the beginning.
Do you know how these AIs work? You know those "security" images websites use to verify you're a human? "select all the pictures of a bus" etc. etc. We're being used to train AIs in image recognition. That's why the AI you're using knows how to make a building correctly.