Is there a market for US TT?

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It's a chicken or egg situation.

The big manufacturers aren't going to gèt into TT unless they see a market and the market isn't going to be recognized until it starts up a cottage industy of TT products.

The problem with trying to produce a really robust Kato/Atlas split frame chassis/mechanism is that it won't satisfy everyone because it won't fit every conceivable locomotive.

Bill makes a point that he wouldn't buy one sight unseen.... Unless the price was right, maybe?

My recommendation for a BullAnt type mechanism is that it is modular and could be made to fit a variety of locomotives and perhaps at a price point that wouldn't choak a horse.

Making a chassis isn't rocket science. Funtional and satisfying ones can be made with basic tools.

http://home.claranet.nl/users/summer/16 ... hassis.htm

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Is there any demand for US profile TT in Europe, or is there even less demand there, than there is here in the US and Canada? Was there actually a production run of an F-unit from Berliner or Tillig, or were there only pre-production samples made? Does the tooling still exist for these or was it scrapped? If the tooling still exists, is there any possibility a new run could be made? For any of us who have actually seen one of these, what was the quality actually like?

I met Fran Grasso many years ago, and I believe he had a test shot of the Berliner F-unit body shell, but it may have only been photos. At the time, he was going to be the US distributor for Berliner, but I believe that deal fell through due to Berliner ultimately being taken over by Tillig. Too bad, Fran seemed like a really nice guy.

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My Point about Hollywood Foundry BullAnt Mechanisms isn't that the motor is mounted on the truck.

My Point is that they are Modular and can be made to various sizes and configurations.

As you can see here, there's also full frames with center mounted motors:
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http://www.hollywoodfoundry.com/Aussie%20Locos.htm

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http://www.hollywoodfoundry.com/Gozunder.htm

A focus on inexpensive modular 12mm chassis/mechanisms would also draw in the HOm HOn42 guys like me...

And, once again, I reiterate that unless the big manufacturers see a robust TT cottage industry they're not likely to pick up the TT-torch.
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The BullAnt looks like a great little drive, but like most things TT, it has been hard to get in the past and appears to be unobtainable at this time. Even if it were currently available, the difficulty and cost of overseas shipping adds significantly to its price for anyone in the USA or Canada.

Shipping costs brings up another point. I have bought on eBay a few items from China where the price of the order included shipping to the USA, and that overall price was less than just the cost would be for return shipping alone should the item prove to be defective. On the other hand, shipping from some countries to the USA seems quite high, not counting the customs costs.

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railtwister wrote:The BullAnt looks like a great little drive, but like most things TT, it has been hard to get in the past and appears to be unobtainable at this time. Even if it were currently available, the difficulty and cost of overseas shipping adds significantly to its price for anyone in the USA or Canada.

Shipping costs brings up another point. I have bought on eBay a few items from China where the price of the order included shipping to the USA, and that overall price was less than just the cost would be for return shipping alone should the item prove to be defective. On the other hand, shipping from some countries to the USA seems quite high, not counting the customs costs.

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That's why I suggest that it be made and distributed within North America.

And, once again, I reiterate that unless the big manufacturers see a robust TT cottage industry they're not likely to pick up the TT-torch.
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I wonder what the owner of Hollywood Foundry would think of someone in North America producing his product here? Further, I do not see there ever being a “Robust TT cottage industry” here, simply not enough people interested, especially with today’s “ready to run” mentality.

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Bill,

I wouldn't do an exact copy and I don't think they have a patent on modularity.

I also don't think that a North American competitor would hurt them since I don't think that they sell very many mechanisms on this side of the planet.

As for cottage industry. The On30 guys got started by selling tree stumps and ore wagons to each other.
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Hi Bernd,

The things that I didn't want to scratch build are my own mechanisms.

I suppose I could though..

The lament I heard here is that there isn't a need for another loco shell until there are mechanisms to put under them.

That's the cottage industry we need.

Gears can be ripped out of old VCR's and DVD players or from the RC racers.

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Guys!
Could you help me to find passenger trucks blueprints? In particular 41-n-11 truck. Or is there any source of blueprints on the internet?
WTB any of the HP Products locomotive parts

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Bernd,

I know belts and pulleys are quiet and efficient but the addition of ball bearings adds to the complexity and expense.

For something that could be quick and inexpesive for a cottage industry to assemble it would be better to stick with gears for the basic version save pulleys for a deluxe version.

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