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Re: Tillig FP7 Rock Island model 500180

Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 10:43 am
by scaro
As to the Lionel, yes, the shape of nose and cab is not too bad. I think the windshield is off, the view from the top shows it, but I can't exactly work out what the issue is. I think overall it looks a bit 'squashed' too, either not high enough, or too wide.

The rest of the body either needs huge surgery, I think all the screens need removing and the grilles too. Fans need getting from somewhere too. The rear again, massively thick detail.

I have talked with Luis who did the Shapeways FL9 about getting it either 'FP7ed' or 'F9ed'. I think the easiest for him would be a late FP7 or an F9. That would mean a unit with Farr grilles, vertical side louvres, not ideal for all, but better than the other options.
TT FL9 nose.jpg
I'm the only person apparently who bought a TT FL9. Doesn't exactly help me persuade him.

Re: Tillig FP7 Rock Island model 500180

Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:02 pm
by j p
scaro wrote: I'm the only person apparently who bought a TT FL9. Doesn't exactly help me persuade him.
That does not surprise me. How many railroads used FL9? One! Although the name and ownership of it changed during the years. It is only for people who model New Haven, Penn Central, Conrail, Amtrak, and MNCW. CDOT used the original New Haven paint scheme, so that does not count.
But I'd buy his Congressional if he rescaled it to TT.

Re: Tillig FP7 Rock Island model 500180

Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:59 pm
by scaro
Jan, rescaling is easy, so ask him ... he did the FL9 in a matter of minutes. anything that pricks his ears up in a TT direction is good.

I know the FL9 is a pretty niche thing ... I made that point to him. I urged that something more generic would get more sales. F9s and late FP7s and F7s have broader appeal and can be made with only a few revisions to the current artwork.

Re: Tillig FP7 Rock Island model 500180

Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 7:11 pm
by scaro
areibel wrote:I'll have to dig out all three and compare this weekend, but from what I rememeberI think the Lionel nose is OK. There are a couple problems, but the first is probably the paint- it's very thick. If you strip the paint the detail comes out pretty nice, but the original paint makes everything look like a bunch of blobs.
And the nose- The problem with it is more with the headlight, it's much smaller than it should be. I think it I can drill out the old one for a piece of 3/16 tube and get it smoothed back in it should look OK. The windshield looks off but I think that's a lack of flush glazing, the body's window posts are thick and if the normal plastic insert sits down in. (snip)
I stripped the paint of a Lionel F to see whether the thick paint was making it look worse than it is. It'd be nice to think there was the makings of a great loco lurking under all that horrible thick paint, but to be honest, it looks worse bare. It makes it clear how 'squashed' the loco body is. The curve across the roof isn't anything like a real F unit, so the shape of the whole loco is affected, windshields included. The nose is something like an E6 rather than an F unit and the centre post slopes back way too far. I do not think surgery can ever fix this loco. It was worth doing, and the paint stripper didn't cost much at least!

Re: Tillig FP7 Rock Island model 500180

Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:21 pm
by j p
scaro wrote:Jan, rescaling is easy, so ask him ... he did the FL9 in a matter of minutes. anything that pricks his ears up in a TT direction is good.

I know the FL9 is a pretty niche thing ... I made that point to him. I urged that something more generic would get more sales. F9s and late FP7s and F7s have broader appeal and can be made with only a few revisions to the current artwork.
I have asked him and he replied that he would rescale. I tried this with other designers and most of them did not bother to reply.
When doing the rescaling, it might be an advantage to make also the correct cars. We have seen incorrect models so many times in TT... and it this case, the kitbashing is easier to do on the computer.
I have suggested to him to modify his digital 3D files for the correct cars of The Congressional - also for his N scale set. It means resizing and repositioning of some of the windows.
Some of his cars are correct for The Congressional. The cars he has in N-scale which are incorrect for The Congressional are OK for other trains though. Making this train (incl. GG1 in tuscan red or silver) would keep me busy for a while. :grin:
(Sorry for off topic)

Anyway, thank you for bringing the Tillig FP7 kits to my attention. I tried to ask Google about them 2 weeks ago and it found them in an e-shop in Prague. Both Rock Island and Burlington versions. I should get them after Easter.

Jan

Re: Tillig FP7 Rock Island model 500180

Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 9:22 pm
by scaro
Oh, that's good ... keeps us on his radar.

Good luck with the Tilligs.

Re: Tillig FP7 Rock Island model 500180

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 1:15 pm
by j p
I have received the "FP7s", here are some pictures of the Burlington version:
TilligFP7Burlington2.jpg
TilligFP7Burlington.jpg

Re: Tillig FP7 Rock Island model 500180

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 1:21 pm
by ConducTTor
Nice! Where did you get them from?

Re: Tillig FP7 Rock Island model 500180

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 1:51 pm
by j p
ConducTTor wrote:Nice! Where did you get them from?
When people started discussing this model again, I tried to find more pictures and Google found them in a train shop in Prague for slightly less than what was the original price. They had only one of each.
http://www.ukralezeleznic.cz/
It was not easy to buy from them, they did not accept credit cards and they were even not able to covert the price to Euros for money transfer :wall: So I converted it myself using the official exchange rate, added 5 more Euros and transferred as SEPA payment. Then they sent me a copy of their statement of account showing that it was not enough... their bank seems to be very greedy and added various "fees". EU regulations do not allow EU banks to charge more for international SEPA transfer than for a domestic money transfer. Anyway, I went to Berlin and Prague for Easter vacation and brought them the rest of the money in cash.

Re: Tillig FP7 Rock Island model 500180

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 2:05 pm
by ConducTTor
Wow, a lot of work for those locos.