USRA Double-sheathed boxcars and clones

USRA Double-sheathed boxcars and clones

Postby Marquette » Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:04 am

USRA Double-Sheathed Boxcars and Clones

The two options railroads had in boxcar design during the USRA administration was the choice of a standard design in either a single-sheathed or a double-sheathed design. Both were very common (though the single-sheathed cars were numerically more common, due to large numbers of that design being allocated to the Pennsy and the New York Central). Even so, a large number of USRA double-sheathed cars were assigned to various railroads during the USRA administration, and quite a few clones were built later, varying mostly in terms of the end used. Unlike the single-sheathed design, which used a straight centre sill, the double-sheathed design incorporated a heavy fishbelly centre sill. The design was available in single or double door configurations, though this list deals only with the more common single-door design.

Starting as early as the late 1930s, many USRA double-sheathed cars and their clones began to be rebuilt with steel sides, sometimes incorporating an increase in inside height. Since each railroad who did this, did so on its own initiative, there was no "standard modification", so the rebuilt cars are not dealt with here (in many cases, two rebuilt cars may not even obviously share a heritage, apart from the heavy centre sill!). So, for simplicity, this list deals only with those cars that remained double-sheathed and looking like the original USRA d/s car. I've got some further information on the rebuilds and on in-service dates if anyone's interested, but it is safe to assume that if it is in this list, it was in service as illustrated in 1953.

Possum Valley kit #2006 represents the USRA double-sheathed car with the heavy fishbelly centre sill:

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However, the roof and ends aren't correct for anything, and some of the details (grabs, etc) are a bit coarse for my liking, this kit would serve as a decent enough stand-in for those cars with 5-5-5 Youngstown or 7-8 Murphy (protruding rib) ends, if you are willing to overlook the inaccuracies. (IMO: the end is actually tolerable, as a stand-in for the 7-8 Murphy end, as you'd actually have to look closely enough to count the ribs, but the roof... ayayaye...)

5-5-5 Youngstown ends
As on the single-sheathed cars, the standard end on "real" USRA double-sheathed boxcars was the 5-5-5 Youngstown.

Delaware, Lackawanna & Western 44000-44799
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Photo is of the Westerfield kit in HO.

Duluth, South Shore & Atlantic 16000-16049
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Photo is of the Westerfield kit in HO.

Elgin, Joliet & Eastern 7300-7799
EJ&E 7787.jpg


Great Northern 23494-24993
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Re: USRA Double-sheathed boxcars and clones

Postby Marquette » Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:20 am

5-5-5 Youngstown ends continued

Minneapolis & St Louis 25000-25898 (even numbers only)
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Missouri & Arkansas 3000
MA 3000.jpg

The M&A had only this one car in this "series"...

Missouri Pacific 45001-45250
MP 45238.jpg


New York Central 161000-161499 (Lot 334-B)
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Pere Marquette 80500-81999
PM 80837.jpg
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Re: USRA Double-sheathed boxcars and clones

Postby Marquette » Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:31 am

5-5-5 Youngstown ends continued

Northwestern Pacific 1900-1999
The standard colour for freight cars of this SP subsidiary was freight car red, but a few of the USRA d/s cars belonging to the NWP were later repainted into an attractive green scheme for express service.

NWP 1959.jpg

NWP 1959 in the earliest lettering scheme, freight car red body. This scheme lasted in service at least into the 1950s.

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This is the scheme introduced in the 1950s, in line with the Southern Pacific's new large-letter scheme. Photo is of the Westerfield kit in HO.

NWP 1952.jpg

This is the earlier LCL (Less-than-carload) scheme; photo of the Westerfield kit in HO.

NWP 1947.jpg

This is the later LCL scheme, introduced in the late 1940s. Unfortunately I only have partial colour info: the herald is in full colour and the body of the field in which the "Redwood Empire Route" slogan is written is orange; the text itself is probably black, and the outline is probably red. My best guess there is the orange and the red used in SP's "Daylight" scheme. I don't know what the overall body colour was, but at a guess I'd say green, in keeping with the earlier LCL scheme. Note the lack of dimensional data on the right side of the car - this was unnecessary, as the LCL cars were used on-line only between NWP destinations.

St Louis-San Francisco 127000-130499
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Re: USRA Double-sheathed boxcars and clones

Postby Marquette » Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:46 am

Flat steel end

Boston & Maine 70000-70499
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This end is very similar to the ends used on the earliest versions of the Pennsy's X29 class boxcars, and on some 1932 ARA design all-steel boxcars (e.g. those owned by Seaboard Air Line).

4-panel Hutchins ends

Pere Marquette 86000-87499
PM 86994.jpg


Piedmont & Northern 1100-1124
P&N 1112 - 2.jpg

The P&N purchased 25 USRA d/s clones from the Pere Marquette around 1951, though only some had the 4-panel Hutchins end (the rest had the 8+8 Vulcan end). (If you want too much information on these cars, see my 2-part article on Piedmont & Northern freight cars in The Seaboard - Coast Line Modeler. It was during the course of researching P&N freight cars that their origin as ex-PM cars came to light).

Though for the most part (and according to the P&N's ORER entries) the 1100-series cars were used on-line only, they did occasionally venture off-line: the photo of 1112 above was taken in Durham, NC in 1957, on the other side of North Carolina from where the P&N was located. All the P&N cars were lettered with full dimensional data as specified by AAR regulations for cars in interchange service, meaning that they could be used in interchange service, just weren't very often.

Manistee & Northeastern 4000-4011
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The M&NE purchased 12 USRA d/s clones from the Pere Marquette around 1950, though only some had the 4-panel Hutchins end (the rest had the 8+8 Vulcan end).

Chattahoochee Valley 1050-1055
The CHV purchased 6 USRA d/s clones from the Pere Marquette around 1951, though only some had the 4-panel Hutchins end (the rest had the 8+8 Vulcan end). Unfortunately, I don't have any pictures (yet).
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Re: USRA Double-sheathed boxcars and clones

Postby Marquette » Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:57 am

8+8 Vulcan ends

Pere Marquette 85000-85999
PM 85037.jpg


Piedmont & Northern 1100-1124
P&N 1101sm.jpg

P&N 1101 in the post-1957 scheme. Around a dozen cars were rebuilt in 1957 and 1958 and repainted in this livery, continuing on in revenue service until around 1965-66.

The P&N purchased 25 USRA d/s clones from the Pere Marquette around 1951, though only some had the 8+8 Vulcan end (the rest had the 4-panel Hutchins end). (If you want too much information on these cars, see my 2-part article on Piedmont & Northern freight cars in The Seaboard - Coast Line Modeler. It was during the course of researching P&N freight cars that their origin as ex-PM cars came to light).

Manistee & Northeastern 4000-4011
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The M&NE purchased 12 USRA d/s clones from the Pere Marquette around 1950, though only some had the 8+8 Vulcan end (the rest had the 4-panel Hutchins end).

Chattahoochee Valley 1050-1055
The CHV purchased 6 USRA d/s clones from the Pere Marquette around 1951, though only some had the 8+8 Vulcan end (the rest had the 4-panel Hutchins end).

6-8 Murphy (inverse) ends

Rutland 8000-8299
R 8222.jpg

This is the only group of USRA d/s clones with this uncommon variety of Murphy end.

7-8 Murphy (standard) ends

Florida East Coast 20501-20629
FEC 20611.jpg

Note that the Murphy ends on these cars have ventilators.

Great Northern 30000-30599
GN 30411.jpg
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Re: USRA Double-sheathed boxcars and clones

Postby Marquette » Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:09 am

7-8 Murphy (standard) ends, continued

Northern Pacific 10000-13999
NP 11257.jpg


Savannah & Atlanta 8000-8197
SA 8051.jpg

Ex-Florida East Coast, with ventilators on the ends.

Texas & Pacific 50000-50999
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Wabash 81000-81499
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Re: USRA Double-sheathed boxcars and clones

Postby Marquette » Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:53 am

7-8 Murphy (inverse) ends

Duluth, South Shore & Atlantic 18000-18099
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Spokane International 600-694
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St Louis Southwestern "Cotton Belt" 31000-33499
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Re: USRA Double-sheathed boxcars and clones

Postby scaro » Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:36 pm

wonder if this is a USRA double sheathed? looks similar. no idea where G&F might have bought it.
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Re: USRA Double-sheathed boxcars and clones

Postby Marquette » Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:49 pm

It is with 0.000000000000000% chance of incorrectness absolutely a USRA d/s box. The 5-5-5 ends give it away: only the USRA cars (single and double sheathed) used those ends. Great photo, no clue who the G&F got these from; could've been anyone, though.
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Re: USRA Double-sheathed boxcars and clones

Postby Marquette » Thu Feb 24, 2011 1:51 am

Some new information here...

Northwestern Pacific 1900-1999

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This is the scheme introduced in the 1950s, in line with the Southern Pacific's new large-letter scheme. Photo is of the Westerfield kit in HO.

NEW: at least one car, #1952, was overall black, with the standard white lettering and full-colour logo.

NWP 1947.jpg

New info: body colour was overall black, the long banner is yellow with red edging and black text; other lettering is white, the logo is full colour (blue, green, white, brown, black). This scheme was introduced after WW2 and lasted into the mid 1950s at least.
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