My used Tillig 02557 BR 229 Bahnbau runs opposite direction

My used Tillig 02557 BR 229 Bahnbau runs opposite direction

Postby Rich1853 » Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:37 am

During the week I received a used Tillig 02557 BR 229 Gleisbau locomotive to go with my BR 218 and 233 ones, from the German Ebay classifieds. Runs great except the direction of travel is opposite from my four other locomotives. In the supplied instructions/parts list I notice a 3 position slide switch that I have no idea what it is used for. I tried searching these instructions on line so I could Google translate them. It is for the Tilligs BR119, 219, 229 line. Instruction no. 367160-S1 and S2 (page 1 & 2).
How to repair this
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Edit: contacted the Tillig's help site at 2:00 PM EDT
waiting for a reply
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Re: My used Tillig 02557 BR 229 Bahnbau runs opposite direct

Postby krokodil » Sat Sep 29, 2018 12:11 pm

Is it a DCC machine? How about the lights?
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Re: My used Tillig 02557 BR 229 Bahnbau runs opposite direct

Postby Rich1853 » Sat Sep 29, 2018 1:31 pm

It's DC, and the lights work as it should both front and rear.
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Re: My used Tillig 02557 BR 229 Bahnbau runs opposite direct

Postby krokodil » Sat Sep 29, 2018 2:18 pm

Then just swap the pick-up wires from the wheels/boogies to the PCB.

(If the lights work in correct way - forward white, if not than you just need to turn the motor by 180 degrees, or swap the wires on the motor).
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Re: My used Tillig 02557 BR 229 Bahnbau runs opposite direct

Postby Rich1853 » Sat Sep 29, 2018 2:31 pm

Waiting for Tilligs reply. I don't think I could do that with my still very week dominant right hand from a stroke suffered this past March.
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Re: My used Tillig 02557 BR 229 Bahnbau runs opposite direct

Postby krokodil » Sat Sep 29, 2018 4:22 pm

Sorry to hear that. I wish you a soon recovery.

Here are the basic rules how to detect what is wrong with the model.
The basic rules:
1. You need some simple voltmeter and some finer tools like screwdriver, tweezer and a soldering iron with thin solder.
2. The right rail in direction of the train motion is the plus - red probe on voltmeter. Should show up to 12 V.
3. In this case the front lights of the locomotive should lit ( in white or yellow color)
4. If the white lights are on and the locomotive is moving backwards, then only the motor is wired in wrong way (swap the wires to motor). In some cases when the motor is not soldered it is probably just installed up side down - remove it end turn by 180 degrees.
5. If the locomotive moves in wrong direction and the front light in direction is white, then the wiring from boogies is swapped. In some cases those are also not soldered, then probably the PCB board is installed in wrong way, turn it if it fits will also fix your problem. ( I don not have this model, so I cannot check the exact wiring ).

Based on Tillig's information the PCB is wired with soldered cables to the light subassemblies, ie it cannot be easily installed in wrong way, so probably just the wires from boogies or to the motor are swapped.

Do not be afraid, In DC you cannot make too much wrong, and you will learn very fast how the simple DC model works. Tillig will not fix your problem remotely.
I am sure you can find somebody in your location with some skills ( maybe a hobby shop), they will fix it for you.
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Re: My used Tillig 02557 BR 229 Bahnbau runs opposite direct

Postby krokodil » Sat Sep 29, 2018 4:40 pm

I am just reading, that this model (BR 219) had several versions of the internal electronics (PCB). There is a small connector with the filters ( coils - to be removed in DCC mode). Maybe this small connector is plugged in wrong way. Try to change this.
The wiring from boogies is fix, cannot be swapped, ie. either this small board is in wrong way or position or the motor cables are swapped.

If you can open your model, please make a picture about the internal PCB. The screw is under one of the fan closer to cab #2.
There were at least 3 versions of internal electronics and many people tried to modify the wiring for independent control of the white and red lights ( in DCC). There were panels without connector for decoder, with 6 pin connectors and also with Plux connector. It could help when we see which version is yours.
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Re: My used Tillig 02557 BR 229 Bahnbau runs opposite direct

Postby Rich1853 » Sat Sep 29, 2018 5:47 pm

First thank you for your well wishes.
Rule 1- I have all the tools, being in the aerospace industry for over 40 years and for guitar tube amplifications longer than that.
Rule 2 - that's a standard that I used; wired both of my MRC 3000GS to the oval loops like that. +11.96VDC & +12.36VDC
Rule 3 - no, the rear facing are lit white
Rule 4 - white lights are the same as the direction of travel, i.e. going backwards in relationship to the rail polarity.

date on the 367160 instruction sheet is 17.05.04

Photo the same as in my original post.
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Re: My used Tillig 02557 BR 229 Bahnbau runs opposite direct

Postby krokodil » Sat Sep 29, 2018 6:02 pm

In this case it is an older version, and the boogie wires are swapped.
Check the wies or the plug in the cinnector. There are diodes on the small PCB board, maybe it is plugged in wrong way. There are 2 dual diodes and probably two single diodes. Try to swap the board in he connector.
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Re: My used Tillig 02557 BR 229 Bahnbau runs opposite direct

Postby krokodil » Sat Sep 29, 2018 6:31 pm

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If those 4 wires are comming from boogies, please swap them on both sides red with the green.


The recent version has a plug for the decoder on side and the decoder is in vertical position the new version has no wires from the wheel pick-ups.
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