TT Scale Model Railroads...

TT Scale Model Railroads...

Postby TTSMR » Sat Oct 03, 2009 11:15 pm

I am pleased to see this new group and the enthusiasm the moderator has!

I was the moderator of TT Scale Model Railroads, TTSMR, at YahooGroups for many years.

Several have wondered what happened to TTSMR. I sent out an email to all members and thought I'd share it with this forum also.

Plus I plugged TTnut.com to over 200 members of my group!

TT scale is a great scale and my favorite. Its fun, easy to scratch build, and you can have more model railroading action in a 3x6 foot layout than a 4x8 HO layout. We need new people and new enthusiasm to keep pushing it forward.

Looks like this forum is a great addition!

Don

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The following email was sent to the members of TTSMR:




Several have wondered what happened to TT Scale Model Railroads.

Before I discuss this, I want to make you aware of a new TT forum that is taking
off with great enthusiasm.

TTnut.com

Take a look and join up.



TTSMR was shut down by me, the moderator, due to lack of people wanting to
assist run the group. People still want the group to continue but most don't
want to help. There were at one time over 300 members but only a couple that
wanted to step up to the plate and assist.

For almost 10 years I ran, moderated and helped create a resurgence in TT in the
US. It was very time consuming and costly for me. I started in 1999 by snail
mailing anyone I could locate to get email addresses and started with just an
email list. I got onto OneGroups (I think that was what is was called) and
started the first actual group which became TT Scale Model Railroads, TTSMR, at
Yahoo when Yahoo took over OneGroups.

I went to local shows displaying TT tralns, put displays in local libraries, and
helped many people get a start with the hundreds of TT starter T-Sets. I even
gave away free TT rolling stock to new members who joined the group. Several
T-sets were donated to under privileged children.

Along with the main TT Scale Model Railroads Group, we had sub groups for US TT,
German TT, British TT-3, as well as a Scratch Builders sub-group and a
Manufactures sub group.

A large files section detailed the history of different manufactures along with
photos of items that were offered. There was a photo section for members to
post photos of their own layouts and trains.

A history of posts were saved, edited, and turned into tips and hints to help
TT'ers.

I searched for, located and purchased large lots of used TT items on eBay and
other areas and divided them items up to folks in the group. I resold them to
group members at almost half of what they were being sold on eBay for. I made a
special effort to ensure folks who didn't have TT trains got the first shot at
some of the items to make sure they could get them without paying the high
prices auctions on eBay were getting.

Many members of the group asked if I could get new items from Tillig. I spent
several thousands of dollars to import items from Tillig. I also imported TTN3
etched brass locos from Australia. These were very popular. I purchased a large
amount of Dicks inventory. For those of you who do not know who Dick is, he
purchased a huge inventory of old unsold TT items and tried to restart the HP
line on his own.

I also located and purchased a large quantity of the brass rolling stock that
you have seen floating around on eBay.

I work as a bio-med field engineer. I get on an airplane on Monday morning, fly
to different cities almost every day and return home on Friday. I have over
160,000 miles with Continental alone in the last year. This leaves very little
time to continue to run the group by myself.

I attempted to start a non-profit group to raise funds for TTSMR to support the
group and new products with no success.

One member volunteered to moderate to keep the spam to a minimum. He went
behind my back, and with out permission, copied my members email addresses to
start his own group. I spent several years and money from my own pocket to
build the group including giving away free TT scale cars to new members. He
didn't put a dime into the group and in my opinion stole that from me so he
could start his own group where he limited who could join unlike TTSMR where
every one was welcome.

A couple of others tried to start their own groups. They didn't go any where
but began a splintering effect.

When I asked for help, several people tried to get me to turn the group over to
them for their own purposes including charging a membership fee and advertising
their products to other TT'ers. TTSMR was always free to all.

Also, folks who agreed to buy Tillig items backed out on their agreement to buy
the trains once I imported them. Unfortunately another member who agreed to
build my TTn3 brass loco in exchange for one of the kits never came thru, never
responded to my emails, and I lost 2 kits, one with an expensive Kato drive. A
few others left me hanging without payment for items shipped. I learned the
hard way not to ship anything without payment first!

Due to these bad experiences, I decided it just wasn't worth the effort to
continue the group.

I am not the only one who felt this way and certainly didn't invest as much as
others. In fact, those before me warned me not to invest much money into my
inventory. I invested around $10,000. The girl who invested to help import the
T-Sets from Tillig got stuck with thousands of T-Sets along with thousands of
dollars in accessories, locos and rolling stock because no one would buy them.

We can say what we like about Dick, and many do, but he did try to restart the
HP line but got little to no support. I was told the original mold for the TT
trucks was almost $25,000!

Like Dick and those before him, I was left with the feeling that many TT'ers
just wanted something for nothing.

There are a lot a great TT'ers and I certainly miss my friends and the group
too. In fact, I saved most of the files just in case there was enough interest
in the future to restart the group.

I just ran across TTnut.com and am pleased to see the enthusiasm and passion the
moderator has with the group. I hope he will be successful with his efforts but
it comes down to one thing. If TT'es do not get more involved TT will continue
to wane. I urge all TT'ers to get on board and help make TTnut.com successful.

Though I am happy to see the growth of TT in Europe, it is sad for me to see
such a larger interest in TT, especially US TT, in Europe, when TT was invented
right here in the US. The European folks are doing a great job at supporting
TT. Unfortunately this hasn't been the case in the US historically. I hope
that will change.

I urge all TT'ers to get on board and jump in with both feet. If you believe in
TT, support it.

Also, help the small cottage industries that are using there own hard earned
money to manufacture TT items for you. The list is getting larger and the
quality is outstanding. They need your support to continue to grow and add to
their product lines.

Sincerely,

Don Daniels
TTSMR
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Re: TT Scale Model Railroads...

Postby ConducTTor » Sun Oct 04, 2009 4:24 pm

Very interesting. An eye opener for sure. Kudos to you for the attempts, the results are unfortunate to say the least :( ........

We're glad to have you and with this bit of insight hopefully we can move forward without repeating history.

Forward we go.
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Re: TT Scale Model Railroads...

Postby BTTB Fan » Sun Oct 04, 2009 5:16 pm

TTSMR wrote:...
Also, help the small cottage industries that are using there own hard earned
money to manufacture TT items for you. The list is getting larger and the
quality is outstanding. They need your support to continue to grow and add to
their product lines.
...

Don, if you have the links to these small manufacturer web sites, please post them in the link suggestions thread, so that we can chack them out.
And thanks for the interesting "modern history" of the TT resurrection attempts in North America.
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Re: TT Scale Model Railroads...

Postby ConducTTor » Tue Oct 06, 2009 9:50 pm

Hey Don, if you wouldn't mind sharing some of your TT related of files, photos, etc., I'm sure the members here would be highly appreciative :clap:
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Re: TT Scale Model Railroads...

Postby ConducTTor » Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:22 am

P.S.

I personally would love to see pictures. I guess if any member is interested in something specific they can ask you. I assume you've likely gathered quite a bit of knowledge / info in the past 10 years :?:
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Re: TT Scale Model Railroads...

Postby TTSMR » Thu Oct 08, 2009 2:40 am

LOL Dont give me too much credit!

There are a number a TTers who have provided great info over the years.

I am hoping they will join your forum.

Maybe one day there will be several folks who would like to reopen TTSMR and continue adding to the files and other folders for a TT archive.
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Re: TT Scale Model Railroads...

Postby TTSMR » Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:45 am

OK A few photos added to the photos section.
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