New To TT!! ...and 1:120 scale GP35

Re: TT_GP35

Postby Marquette » Wed Sep 29, 2010 1:08 am

I'm loving your thinking, Donnell!

I'd be all over scale draft gear and well-detailed track... couplers, while I'd love a TT equivalent of the Sergent, I can live with MicroTrains or Accumate N scale couplers, since they're fairly close to scale for TT.

Re: WPM: I went to Rails by the Bay (Pacific Northwest RPM meet) for the first time in... 2007, with some TT stuff, including a mostly scratchbuilt Piedmont & Northern boxcar. I had quite a few people comment on what a great size it is, etc. But my favourite of all the reactions was from one guy who said, "As I approached the table and saw the boxcar, I thought, ah, great! Some HOn3! And then I saw it was a P&N car, and was getting ready to get upset - the P&N was standard gauge! And then I saw the sign that said 1:120... and thought, wow! I haven't seen TT in years!".

Now, though, I'm really hoping there'll be an RPM meet in Washington state next year, after I've got some new stuff built - Milwaukee SD45 and PS2 hoppers, BC Hydro caboose, maybe some NP stuff too... THAT should catch some attention in the northwest!

Again, I'm really looking forward to seeing what you come up with for the GP35... I'll be ready to get one as soon as it's ready to be got!
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Re: TT_GP35

Postby ConducTTor » Wed Sep 29, 2010 1:34 am

I like the general idea that we have the opportunity to define the scale. I also like all the ideas that everybody's coming up with. The one thing that kind of bugs me (there is no way around it right now) is that everything is in different threads and a month later I can't remember what's what.

Maybe next year or the one after we do "The Grand TT Summit" (I fantasize about this :lol:) at one of the big shows and nail down a lot of these things.
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Re: TT_GP35

Postby sd80mac » Wed Sep 29, 2010 12:37 pm

I changed the title of the thread so it doesn't get too lost in translation.

I also mentioned that the first drawing was just a rough draft. I have since started a new drawing, incorporating some of the things I left out in the preliminary drawing. One question I do have is would you like have control over the placement of details such as grilles, traction motor blower housing, battery boxes (sub-base), exhaust hatch, etc., or would you rather have some of the detail molded onto the shell?

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ConducTTor wrote:I like the general idea that we have the opportunity to define the scale. I also like all the ideas that everybody's coming up with. The one thing that kind of bugs me (there is no way around it right now) is that everything is in different threads and a month later I can't remember what's what.

Maybe next year or the one after we do "The Grand TT Summit" (I fantasize about this :lol:) at one of the big shows and nail down a lot of these things.
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Re: New To TT!! ...and a possible 1:120 scale GP35

Postby areibel » Wed Sep 29, 2010 4:40 pm

Looks Good Donnell!
The details could be molded onto the shell I'd say, unless you want to start out with a lot more phase or prototype specific details? I don't forsee us having a TT scale Cannon and Co quite yet, I think a nicely done shell with maybe a few simple options such as dynamic/ no dynamic would suffice. Grilles could be etched?
A GP35 will have some pretty visible phase differences, especially the side sills and door latches but I'd pick one and do it right. That would get it out faster and give all the budding TT RPM'ers something to do! And the guys that just want to run TT would be happy too. Then the changes in the CAD could be made for the next run? Sign me up to be the first customer, I've been trying to figure out how to cut down GP38 shells and modify them to make a GP35- you are going to save me a lot of headaches!
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Re: New To TT!! ...and a possible 1:120 scale GP35

Postby ConducTTor » Wed Sep 29, 2010 4:46 pm

I agree with the above. A basic level of details should be included - as in, it should be a basic GP35 with all its pieces. If anyone wants to get funky, they can do so and modify to achieve specific versions - for the others, they're ready to roll.

And yes, I will buy as well.
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Re: New To TT!! ...and a possible 1:120 scale GP35

Postby gabbysuz » Wed Sep 29, 2010 5:45 pm

CADs look great ! Always liked the GP35's, I'll be interested in purchasing 2 locos to start with.
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Re: New To TT!! ...and a possible 1:120 scale GP35

Postby Marquette » Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:12 pm

Well, if you want my twopence... I agree with Alex and Al - mould the detail on. But what I /would/ emphasise is - pick a phase/subphase and do that one correctly!

My suggestion there would be start at the beginning - Phase Ia1- fishbelly frame, groups of three louvers on both battery box doors, seven latched engine doors, short inertial intake, flat dustbin hatch, flat under the front headlight (roads that used rotating lights had a bulge under the numberboard assembly) Type I radiators (the Cannon GP35 rad). Plus, more roads (21) Phase Ia1 units than any other phase/subphase.

But if it'll help you decide, here's a list of original owners by Phase:

Phase Ia1: (21 roads)
Atlantic Coast Line (no dyn brake)
Canadian Pacific
Central of Georgia
Chicago, Burlington & Quincy
Chicago & Eastern Illinois
Chicago & North Western (no dyn brake)
Cotton Belt
DeQueen & Eastern
Detroit, Toledo & Ironton (no dyn brake)
Gulf, Mobile & Ohio (Type B trucks)
Missouri Pacific (no dyn brake)
New York Central (no dyn brake; 1 with d/b)
Norfolk & Western (high nose)
Reading
Rio Grande
Santa Fe
Southern Pacific
Texas & Pacific (no dyn brake)
Union Pacific
Western Maryland
Western Pacific

Phase Ia2: (13 roads)
Ann Arbor (no dyn brake, Type B trucks)
Baltimore & Ohio
Chicago, Burlington & Quincy
Chicago & North Western (no dyn brake)
Frisco (with torpedo tubes)
Great Northern
Gulf, Mobile & Ohio (Type B trucks)
Louisville & Nashville (no dyn brake)
Nickel Plate Road (no dyn brake)
Norfolk & Western (high nose)
Santa Fe
Southern Pacific
Wabash (no dyn brake)

Phase Ib1: (16 roads)
Ann Arbor (no dyn brake, Type B trucks)
Baltimore & Ohio
Canadian National
Chesapeake & Ohio
Chicago, Burlington & Quincy
Chicago & Eastern Illinois
Gulf, Mobile & Ohio (Type B trucks)
Erie-Lackawanna
Louisville & Nashville (no dyn brake)
Nacionales de Mexico
Pennsylvania
Reading
Santa Fe
Soo Line (no dyn brake)
Southern Pacific
Union Pacific

Phase Ib2: (5 roads)
Alaska RR
Chesapeake & Ohio
Chicago, Burlington & Quincy
Chicago & Eastern Illinois
Pennsylvania

Phase Ib3: (6 roads)
Chicago, Burlington & Quincy
Louisville & Nashville (no dyn brake)
New York Central (no dyn brake)
Norfolk & Western (both with and without dyn brake)
Rio Grande
Southern Pacific

Phase Ib4 (2 roads)
Nacionales de Mexico (high nose)
Western Pacific

Phase Ic1: (10 roads)
Alaska RR
Chicago & North Western (no dyn brake)
Gulf, Mobile & Ohio (Type B trucks)
Missouri Pacific (no dyn brake)
New York Central (no dyn brake)
Norfolk & Western
Pennsylvania
Savannah & Atlanta (type B trucks)
Southern (Type B trucks)
Southern Pacific

Phase Ic2: (12 roads)
Cotton Belt
Great Northern
Missouri Pacific (no dyn brake)
Norfolk & Western
Pennsylvania
Reading
Santa Fe
FC Sonora - Baja California
Southern (Type B trucks)
Texas & Pacific (no dyn brake)
Southern Pacific
Western Pacific

Phase Id: (3 roads)
Seaboard Air Line
Soo Line (no dyn brake)
Southern Pacific

Phase IIa: (3 roads)
Frisco
Rock Island (no dyn brake)
Santa Fe

Phase IIb: (16 roads)
Baltimore & Ohio
Canadian Pacific
Chesapeake & Ohio
Chicago & Eastern Illinois
Chicago & North Western (no dyn brake)
Cotton Belt
Erie-Lackawanna
Frisco
Milwaukee Road
Nacionales de Mexico
New York Central (no dyn brake)
Richmond, Fredericksburg & Potomac (no dyn brake)
Rock Island (no dyn brake)
Santa Fe
Southern
Southern Pacific

Phase IIc (3 roads)
Frisco (Type B trucks)
Gulf, Mobile & Ohio (Type B trucks)
Toledo, Peoria & Western (Type B trucks)
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Re: New To TT!! ...and a possible 1:120 scale GP35

Postby ConducTTor » Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:32 pm

I would also look at the numbers used per railroad. You don't want to do a version that there only a few of since less people will be interested. This may be of help http://www.trainweb.org/jaydeet/gp35.htm
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Re: New To TT!! ...and a possible 1:120 scale GP35

Postby Marquette » Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:47 pm

ConducTTor wrote:I would also look at the numbers used per railroad. You don't want to do a version that there only a few of since less people will be interested. This may be of help http://www.trainweb.org/jaydeet/gp35.htm


While that's a consideration, too, myself I'd probably put more weight on how many roads in total used the type. If 20 roads each used four of Type A, while Type B was used only by one road - but had 100 of them - I'd probably pick Type A first, even though there were 20 fewer of them in total than of Type B, just based on the principle that 20 roadnames will have a bigger potential audience than a single one.

But that's just my mustard. :)
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Re: New To TT!! ...and a possible 1:120 scale GP35

Postby ConducTTor » Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:07 pm

^^^^ you make more sense than I do. I'll go back to my beer now :thinking:
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