Tillig BR218 model 02700

Re: Tillig BR218 model 02700

Postby scaro » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:12 pm

ConducTTor wrote:A small all purpose diesel of BO-BO arrangement.
All wheels driven, all wheel electrical pickup, 2 traction tires.
Directional lights - 3 forward - 2 back, modern couplers.
Distance between axles 23mm, distance between bogie centers 71mm.



hmmm, rings a bell.

with that wheelbase this mech is a whole 1.6mm too long for an EMD FT. not bad, well, just about perfect, in fact.

the FT was 27'3" between bogie centres as opposed to the 30' of the later F2, F3, F7, F9.

sounds like it might be an easier way for you to get that first RTR loco than that pesky U30B. all it would need is a 'plonk on' shell.

have to ask marquette the list of FT owners but from wiki it seems just about all the big RRs excepting the SP, UP and PRR had some.

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Re: Tillig BR218 model 02700

Postby ConducTTor » Sun Jan 09, 2011 2:49 am

:idea:

That's definitely an interesting proposition. I'll have to do some research and see what I think. It would highly simplify everything - I can cast the shell and leave the rest to the individual. The nice part is that the 218s are relatively cheap on ebay (usually about 80 Euro).
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Re: Tillig BR218 model 02700

Postby CSD » Sun Jan 09, 2011 2:54 am

I did some looking into this model some time ago and the trucks (wheel spacing and size) would be a close enough match for EMD.

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Re: Tillig BR218 model 02700

Postby CSD » Sun Jan 09, 2011 2:54 am

There is a START version of this model which is also comparatively cheap.
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Re: Tillig BR218 model 02700

Postby ConducTTor » Sun Jan 09, 2011 3:37 am

Funny enough, the START version is much rarer and tends to end up being about the same price.
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Re: Tillig BR218 model 02700

Postby scaro » Sun Jan 09, 2011 7:45 am

ConducTTor wrote::idea:

That's definitely an interesting proposition. I'll have to do some research and see what I think. It would highly simplify everything - I can cast the shell and leave the rest to the individual. The nice part is that the 218s are relatively cheap on ebay (usually about 80 Euro).


gday mate

i don't want to piss all over your idea of an RTR U30B because it's laudable & a great example. however i know most small, marginal scales - like aussie N which i quote from time to time - have to start with this kind of thing. find an existing chassis -or do a very simple chassis conversion - guys used to use white metal but its harder to get now due to the lead content - do a shell & some bogie sideframes that can be plonked on that chassis, glue sideframes & away you roll.

it's even better if its something iconic & widely used. it's not everything, but it's a start. once that's done, then the next is to extend the chassis a bit for every other F unit and similar incremental improvements - then things start to snowball. once folk have got blomberg trucks, a decent chassis that they can hack up, they'll start thinking what other EMDs they can do.

i'm surprised how late FTs lasted ... EL still had these in 1966 apparently
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/loco/erie-ft-as.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/loco/dlw6024ajh.jpg

the rock had them into the mid 60s, so they are not out of place alongside GP35s, U28Bs etc. they lasted on shortlines till c.1970 , often extensively modified. love that bell : http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-g/gasc16.jpg

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Re: Tillig BR218 model 02700

Postby scaro » Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:56 am

one thing with that tillig mechanism here, from the diagram is that it looks as though the gear towers on the trucks appear to be at one end, rather than in the centre.

i am not sure if it is possible with this unit, but one thing australian n scalers do when they have a truck with off-centre gear towers if they want to get the right wheelbase is to flip the truck around and stick it into the mech the other way, so that it lengthens the wheelbase. if that can be done here- and i don't know if it can- but it may give the extra length needed for a 'regular' F unit or FA2.

just an idea.

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Re: Tillig BR218 model 02700

Postby ConducTTor » Sun Jan 09, 2011 2:16 pm

Thanks Ben for the ideas and no offense taken :thumbup:
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Re: Tillig BR218 model 02700

Postby Dibbedabb » Sun Jan 09, 2011 4:10 pm

ConducTTor wrote:Also, some models have different roof exhaust locations.

The different roof exhaust locations result from different engines built into the locos, either V12 or V16.
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Re: Tillig BR218 model 02700

Postby ConducTTor » Sun Jan 09, 2011 6:01 pm

I didn't know that. Is there something other than the exhausts that shows what engine is inside? Also, which engine belongs to which type of roof? Thanks in advance.
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