Tank car dimensions

Tank car dimensions

Postby Arseny » Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:56 pm

Can anybody help us?
What are the dimensions of this tank car?

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Nikolay from RailTT is ready to produce such car, but he needs the dimensions...
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Re: Tank car dimensions

Postby Marquette » Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:45 pm

Sent you a scan of a document with drawings/dimensions.
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Re: Tank car dimensions

Postby Arseny » Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:50 pm

Thank you!
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Re: Tank car dimensions

Postby ConducTTor » Sun Apr 29, 2012 5:21 pm

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Re: Tank car dimensions

Postby Richard-B » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:25 am

Arseny wrote:Can anybody help us?
What are the dimensions of this tank car?

Nikolay from RailTT is ready to produce such car, but he needs the dimensions...


Careful!!! This is a non-trivial queation.
Are you asking about the possible prototype for the HO Athearn car...
Or this "type" of tank car in general?

So many possible variations... built from the 1920's to the 1950's:
Riveted... (e.g. 103/103R) or Welded ? (103W)
Gallon Capacity: 8,000? 10,000, 12,000? (and a bunch in-between...)
Which builder? UTLX?, GATX?, ACF? or others...

Ed Kaminski's Tank Cars: American Car & Foundry, 1865-1955
has lots of details and photos:
...some also at http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/gallery/tanksmain.html
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Re: Tank car dimensions

Postby Marquette » Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:23 pm

That is an excellent book - it is sitting on my shelf!
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Re: Tank car dimensions

Postby Arseny » Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:28 pm

Richard-B wrote:Are you asking about the possible prototype for the HO Athearn car...
Or this "type" of tank car in general?

So many possible variations... built from the 1920's to the 1950's:
Riveted... (e.g. 103/103R) or Welded ? (103W)
Gallon Capacity: 8,000? 10,000, 12,000? (and a bunch in-between...)
Which builder? UTLX?, GATX?, ACF? or others...


As I understood Nikolay, he wants to build the copy of just this car...

(But if you can give me/him dimensions and/or drawings of some else tank car, I think it may be useful too...)
It is a chance to get just a tank car you want in TT!
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Re: Tank car dimensions

Postby Richard-B » Wed May 02, 2012 10:41 am

Arseny wrote:As I understood Nikolay, he wants to build the copy of just this car...


Not a great choice: This was circa-1950's Athearn tooling, and not much of a model of -any- prototype.
It is a "GATX-like" underframe... with a 12,500Gal tank; a very uncommon combination.
Some have redone the dome to a more prototypical height, and made a passable SP/UP tank car out of it.

That said: IMHO... the venerable UTLX 103-type would be a much more reasonable starting point, as it was probably the single most common tank car throughout the '30s, '40s, and welded versions into the '50s and '60s.

A typical example of the welded version is the ex-Red Caboose (now Intermountain) 10,000 103W car at:
http://www.intermountain-railway.com/distrib/redcaboose/redcabooseho.html

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Red Caboose 103W
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Note the difference in the more prototypical dome dimensions...
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Re: Tank car dimensions

Postby Richard-B » Wed May 02, 2012 11:05 am

Richard-B wrote:A typical example...


...and here is the earlier riveted 103/103R "Type 27" (circa-1927 design) 8,000Gal car
http://www.intermountain-railway.com/ho/html/46328.htm

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Intermountain 8,000Gal Type 27
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...again, note the dome proportions.
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Re: Tank car dimensions

Postby Richard-B » Wed May 02, 2012 11:12 am

...and even more on steam-era tank cars:

Sunshine models made authoritative X-3 tank cars in resin:
The data sheets are at:
http://www.sunshinekits.com/sunimages/sun62a.pdf

http://www.sunshinekits.com/sunimages/sun62b.pdf
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