Russian = American! (Cars and trucks anyways...)

Re: Russian = American! (Cars and trucks anyways...)

Postby LVG1 » Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:47 pm

I know that these models had all the same car body.
But the latest Model (403) had different decorative strips.
I'm not sure about strips at 402. Most images of them which I have seen don't show strips at all. But possibly some of them had them.
On the other hand, many photos of 407ers show the more modern radiator grilles of the 403er. I don't know if this grille was introduced already during 407's production.

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Re: Russian = American! (Cars and trucks anyways...)

Postby Arseny » Tue Sep 03, 2013 1:36 pm

Yes, I love Volga GAZ-21 too.

As concerns Moskvichs - there were different versions. If I am not mistaken, there were no decorative strips on the 402 at all.

moskvich-402.jpg


But if I am not mistaken, export versions of Moskvich 402 had the strips:

moskvich-402-export.jpg


As I know, Moskvich 407 had the same exterior, only new engine.

In 1960 (?) Moskvich 407 got the decorative strips, and new grille, and also metal decoration on the hood, instead of "red flag".

moskvich-407.jpg


Moskvich 403 (basic version!) had the same exterior as late versions of Moskvich 407, only the rear lights differed (3-sections instead of 2-section on the 407 and 402):

1024px-Moskvitch-403-museum.jpg


But export version of Moskvich 403 had double decorative strips, different fender-lights, and different grille, widely spaced

1024px-1963_Moskvitch-403e.jpg


But as I know, "basic", usual version of 403 was exported too.

Herpa's model is just the export version of Moskvich 403. It was very rare inside the USSR.

But, from the other side, private owners could change the grille, add strips, etc, etc...

Also there were 4*4 all-road version, station wagon (and 4*4 station wagon too! - very rare), delivery wagon...

BTW, Moskvichs were exported widely, not only in socialist countries, but in the Western Europe and Scandinavian countries too (I am not sure about Canada or Mexico). Some years more than 50% of total amount of production of the Moskvichs were exported!
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Re: Russian = American! (Cars and trucks anyways...)

Postby LVG1 » Tue Sep 03, 2013 2:22 pm

Arseny wrote:But if I am not mistaken, export versions of Moskvich 402 had the strips:

As far as I know, only few 402ers were exported. And those delivered to Finland (the first importer of Moskvich) lacked the stripes.

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Arseny wrote:Moskvich 403 (basic version!) had the same exterior as late versions of Moskvich 407, only the rear lights differed (3-sections instead of 2-section on the 407 and 402):
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But export version of Moskvich 403 had double decorative strips, different fender-lights, and different grille, widely spaced

So I obviously only know the export version—but also with 407er's late grille.

Arseny wrote:Also there were 4*4 all-road version, station wagon (and 4*4 station wagon too! - very rare), delivery wagon...

I know that there were several versions.

GDR only imported 407, its station wagon version 423N and the 403. Off-road versions and delivery wagon versions never came to GDR. :(

However, I'm clearly more familiar with Moskvich 2140. My mom's aunt had one—a yellow one. She was teacher in a school for children with learning difficulties. And she often looked after me while my mom was at vocational school.
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Re: Russian = American! (Cars and trucks anyways...)

Postby Arseny » Tue Sep 03, 2013 3:23 pm

LVG1 wrote:As far as I know, only few 402ers were exported.


I do not know exactly about the export just of the 402s.
402 was produced in 1956-1958 only (87 658 cars produced); for comparison - 407 was produced in 1958-1963, 359 980 cars produced.

In fact, the main difference between 402 and 407 was the engine. Notice, that while sedans had different marks, "402" and "407", the station wagons were "423" and "423N", so obviously manufacturer considered them as the same car.

LVG1 wrote:And those delivered to Finland (the first importer of Moskvich) lacked the stripes.


Maybe. As I know, "basic" versions were exported too.

LVG1 wrote:GDR only imported 407, its station wagon version 423N and the 403. Off-road versions and delivery wagon versions never came to GDR. :(


Off-road version was 410 (and 410N); off-road station wagon was 411.
Only 7580 410s and 1515 411s were produced.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moskvitch_410

They were produced until 1961, and then their production was ceased, in order to increase the production of 407s for export.

LVG1 wrote:However, I'm clearly more familiar with Moskvich 2140. My mom's aunt had one—a yellow one.


Oh, I love the 2140. I owned two 2140s in 1990s, yellow one and green one! :smile:
Do you know that Moskvich 412/2140's engine was almost the copy of the BMW 1500 engine. Not too bad motor!

Unfortunately, in 2001 "Moskvich" company become bankrupt and production of Moskvichs was ceased.
But today the Avtoframos company exists, based on an old OAO Moskvitch facilities. They produce Renault Logan (also known as Dacia Logan), Renault Sandero and Duster cars. And some other Renault cars.
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Re: Russian = American! (Cars and trucks anyways...)

Postby LVG1 » Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:13 pm

Arseny wrote:Off-road version was 410 (and 410N); off-road station wagon was 411.
Only 7580 410s and 1515 411s were produced.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moskvitch_410

They were produced until 1961, and then their production was ceased, in order to increase the production of 407s for export.
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Unfortunately, in 2001 "Moskvich" company become bankrupt and production of Moskvichs was ceased.
But today the Avtoframos company exists, based on an old OAO Moskvitch facilities. They produce Renault Logan (also known as Dacia Logan), Renault Sandero and Duster cars. And some other Renault cars.


Yes, I also use Wikipedia. И иногда я даже пользоваюсь русскую Википедию или Энци|ру. :wink:
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Re: Russian = American! (Cars and trucks anyways...)

Postby LVG1 » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:07 pm

By the way:

For me, Moskvich 2140 is the embodiment of a typically Russian-style automobile.
But the station wagon and delivery wagon versions are weird. They use the rear end of the predecessors' predecessors. The 1970s style front and the 1960s style tail don't match at all.
But I perceive Izh's hatchback versions as very interesting. Unfortunately, they were not imported by GDR. Only a handful of these cars came here for test purposes. But they were used by authorities only and were never sold to private persons.
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Re: Russian = American! (Cars and trucks anyways...)

Postby Arseny » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:40 pm

Izh "combi" car is of course very interesting, but the photo is fake. :)
The grille and fenders (and hood) are from Moskvich-2140, and the body from Izh-combi.
Looks like the owner changed the front part, maybe after some accident.
If you know about the Wikipedia :wink: you must know how the true Izh-combi looks like:
Komby.JPG


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izh_Comby

There were 2 plants producing Moskvich, Moscow auto plant (AZLK) and Izhevsk auto plant (Izh-auto). Although the first cars were identical, later they become different. Almost all details were compatible, but exterior differed. AZLK began to produce Moskvich-2140, and Izh-auto started Izh-combi and modernized version of Moskvich-412.

BTW today my car is Izh-2126 "Oda":

800px-Izj_car.jpg

(produced by Izhevsk auto plant in 1992-2005)
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Re: Russian = American! (Cars and trucks anyways...)

Postby LVG1 » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:45 pm

Arseny wrote:The grille and fenders (and hood) are from Moskvich-2140, and the body from Izh-combi.
Looks like the owner changed the front part, maybe after some accident.


So there must be more than one owner who changed the front. I found several images of various Izh 2125 with the Moskvich 2140's front.

Arseny wrote:BTW today my car is Izh-2126 "Oda":


At least, you have a car. I currently go by train, tram and bus.
I couldn't afford to keep my car when I started my studies. My last one was an Audi 100 Avant 2.3E (never again sedan!!!)—my largest car until now.
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Re: Russian = American! (Cars and trucks anyways...)

Postby LVG1 » Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:49 am

Arseny wrote:BTW today my car is Izh-2126 "Oda":


Pure curiosity:
Sometimes I watch car-crash videos on youtube. Do you also have a dash-cam—like many Russians?
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Re: Russian = American! (Cars and trucks anyways...)

Postby Arseny » Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:42 am

LVG1 wrote:Sometimes I watch car-crash videos on youtube. Do you also have a dash-cam—like many Russians?


As for me - no, I do not have dash-cam.
But my father have one, for example, in his Renault Megane.

I think, I must purchase one in future. It's very useful thing to to prove your case in road confilcts, accidents etc.
Also some agressive people cease their agression when they see the camera. :smile: Corrupted policemen too.
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