Russian = American! (Cars and trucks anyways...)

Re: Russian = American! (Cars and trucks anyways...)

Postby Arseny » Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:27 am

Marquette wrote:Yes, I'd definitely be interested in an Ikarus 55!


Ok, I'll try to find it.

Prepare the second wagon for exchange! ;)
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Re: Russian = American! (Cars and trucks anyways...)

Postby Marquette » Fri Apr 01, 2011 1:30 pm

Alright, I'll get one ordered!
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Re: Russian = American! (Cars and trucks anyways...)

Postby Arseny » Fri Apr 01, 2011 1:32 pm

Another "Russian-American" bus:
the city bus ZiS-154 (1946-1950):

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- it was the copy of GM's model GMC TDH-3610

And also ZiS-155 (1949-1957)

Unfortunately there are no models in TT.
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Re: Russian = American! (Cars and trucks anyways...)

Postby Marquette » Fri Apr 01, 2011 2:27 pm

Ohhhhh... I would do almost /anything/ for a TT model of a TDH-3610 (or, well, ZiS-154, but you know what I mean!).

Soooo many options for using these. Practically every city in North America that had bus service had these GM "Old Look" busses. I have a good number of photos of them from West Vancouver Municipal Transit - they look super in blue and white!
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Re: Russian = American! (Cars and trucks anyways...)

Postby Arseny » Sat May 21, 2011 5:24 am

Maybe we'll see some "Russian-American" models in TT soon:

ZIS-5 truck (= 1927 Autocar truck)
GAZ-13 "Chaika" ("Seagull") (= 1956 Packard, but not the exact copy)
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Re: Russian = American! (Cars and trucks anyways...)

Postby Arseny » Sat May 21, 2011 1:45 pm

And if we get Pobeda in TT, it will not be a mistake to use it as Pobeda on the American layout, just as Pobeda, not Chevrolet or Nash! 8-)
There were some Pobedas in USA!

http://www.gaz20.spb.ru/download_magazine.htm - some articles (in English) from American magazines about Pobeda. Few American people bought Pobedas in Europe and moved it to USA (at least 3).
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Re: Russian = American! (Cars and trucks anyways...)

Postby Arseny » Wed May 25, 2011 2:19 pm

if somebody want, it's possible to order TT-scale American car or truck from the Ukrainian producer. For example, GMC CCKW or Studebaker US6 or some else.
But it's neccessary to order at least 100 units and make 25%-30% advance payment...
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Re: Russian = American! (Cars and trucks anyways...)

Postby Arseny » Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:07 am

Funny photo: GAZ-21 "Volga" and 1954 Ford together, side-by-side:

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(it seems that this Ford have some Volga's details, such as headlights...)
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Re: Russian = American! (Cars and trucks anyways...)

Postby Marquette » Thu Jun 30, 2011 3:42 am

Awesome picture! :)
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Re: Russian = American! (Cars and trucks anyways...)

Postby Arseny » Sat Jul 02, 2011 10:34 am

Marquette wrote:Something I don't know anything about - what sort of long-distance busses were there in the USSR? Were any very American in appearance?


Marquette, I want to give you a more detailed answer...

There were no long-distance busses in the USSR until the middle of the 1950s.
The roads were very bad in Russia in the 1950s (they are not too good even now!) so it was difficult to use the high-speed long-distance bus on the Russian roads...
"There are no roads in Russia - only the directions!" :lol:

Usually Russians travelled by passenger trains, and then used a local bus, or a horse, or a following truck to travel from the station to the destination place.
There were a lot of local bus models:
ZiS-8 (started in 1934), GAZ-03-30 (started in 1933, produced until 1950) - based on the ZiS-5 and GAZ-AA chassis.
Also in the late 1940s - early 1950s some small plants produced their own buses, based on the different trucks chassis.
KaVZ-651/PAZ-651/GZA-651 started in 1949 and was very popular.
PAZ-652 (started in 1958), PAZ-672 (started in 1967), KaVZ-685 (started in 1971) were very popular as a countryside buses.
Later, in 1980s, the new models started on the KaVZ and PAZ plants.
Also, there was a funny "Kuban" bus, it was a specialized mobile library or mobile cinema, but some collective farms ("kolkhoz") and state plants ("sovkhoz") ordered such buses for their own needs.

KaVZ-651:

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I hope we'll get the KaVZ-651 bus available in TT soon (I've already got the freight version!), so we'll be able to built the typical scenery for a small country station with a local bus...

What about the long distance buses:
to start from - the ZiS-110 cars (copy of the 1942 Packard 180) were used as a shuttle and/or long distance mini-bus "Moscow-Crimea" (!), Moscow-Ryazan or Moscow-Vladimir in the 1950s.
Sometimes the city buses ZiS-155 were used as a long-distance version, but they have only 12-men capacity...

The first Russian long distance bus ZiS-127/ZiL-127 started in 1955. (the ZiS plant was renamed into ZiL in 1956 due to the de-stalinization company of the 1950s-1960s). The American Greyhound buses were the prototype. It was produced until 1961. 851 units produced.
They were used on the long-distance lines such as Moscow-Leningrad, Moscow-Minsk, Moscow-Riga, Moscow-Simferopol (in Crimea), Minsk-Brest and so on.

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It was a high-speed bus and had a nickname "King of the road" - the max.speed was 95 km/h (60 mph) (in actual fact it could drive even faster than 100 km/h) - while the road traffic in the 1950s consisted mostly of the trucks with the max.speed 60-70 km/h. The private cars were very rare in 1950s, and even if you meet any private car on the road, most likely it would be Moskvich-400 or 401 (copy of the German 1938 Opel Kadett) with the max.speed 90 km/h - the ZiL-127 was faster! :smile:
You must be a highly paid employee to buy "Pobeda", but even "Pobeda" had a max speed 105 km/h.
Moskvich-402 started in 1956, but it had max.speed 105 km/h too.
ZIM had max.speed 125 km/h, but there were very few private ZiM's in Russia - you must be a very, very highly paid employee to buy ZIM - maybe general, or academician, or maybe the chairman of very successful kolkhoz, or some else like that...
Volga had max.speed 130 km/h, but Volga started in 1957 and was rare at the first time. (To say more, early Volgas in 1957-1958 had forced Pobeda's engine and max speed 120 km/h)
So, the ZiL-127 was really the king of the road in the 1950s!

Later ZiL plant stopped the bus production. There were LAZ buses (LAZ-697, -699 and some modifications) and Hungarian Ikarus (Ikarus-55, later Ikarus-250, -255 and so on) buses used for the long distance travels.
The Ikarus-55 had a nickname "Rocket".
Ikarus buses were more comfortable than the LAZ ones. So usually Ikaruses were used for a longer distance travels than LAZes; in the 1980s LAZ buses were used mostly in the suburban service (at least in Leningrad region) or at the regional lines.

The model of LAZ is available in TT made of paper and carton, so the quality is poor.

Today there are a lot of European buses in Russia used for a long distance - Scania, Mercedes, Volvo, and so on... Some of them are assembled in Russia.

If you need, I can give you some links and/or pictures of Russian buses.
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