Russian = American! (Cars and trucks anyways...)

Re: Russian = American! (Cars and trucks anyways...)

Postby Marquette » Thu Mar 31, 2011 1:47 pm

Arseny wrote:There are some Russian and Ukranian companies that produce Studebaker in H0 and 1:72 and 1:35. So I hope they will produce it in TT too...


I have a 1:72 kit of a PMZ-1 fire truck. When I build it, what do you think - will it look very wrong next to a Su-34? :P

Something I don't know anything about - what sort of long-distance busses were there in the USSR? Were any very American in appearance?
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Re: Russian = American! (Cars and trucks anyways...)

Postby Arseny » Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:38 pm

Marquette wrote:I have a 1:72 kit of a PMZ-1 fire truck. When I build it, what do you think - will it look very wrong next to a Su-34? :P


Do you mean fire truck based on the ZiS-5 chassis?
If so - only as a museum exhibit... :)

I have a nice PMZ-27 fire truck, based on the ZiL-157. It is TT!

Something I don't know anything about - what sort of long-distance busses were there in the USSR? Were any very American in appearance?


In 1970s and later there were Hungarian "Ikarus" buses. I have one (Ikarus-55 of the 1970s):
http://12mm.ru/base/ideas/idea25/bigfoto/7big.jpg
http://12mm.ru/base/ideas/idea25/bigfoto/10big.jpg

Later, there were Ikarus-250 and Ikarus-256 buses:
http://12mm.ru/base/ideas/idea25/bigfoto/14big.jpg
- but I do not like it. Stupid dummy box! :smile:

But earlier, in 1950s, the ZiS-127/ZiL-127 bus was in use:
http://denisovets.narod.ru/zil/zilprototips/ZIS127-1.jpg
http://denisovets.narod.ru/zil/zilprototips/ZIS127pic.jpg

- I think it is American-style

Earlier, in 1930s and 1940s, there were ZiS-8 (1934-1936) and ZiS-16 (1938-1941) buses:
http://denisovets.narod.ru/zil/zilpages/zis16.html
http://denisovets.narod.ru/zil/zilpages/zis8.html

But in 1930s-1950s Russians prefered to use passenger trains, not buses for long-distance travels...
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Re: Russian = American! (Cars and trucks anyways...)

Postby Marquette » Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:26 pm

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Marquette wrote:I have a 1:72 kit of a PMZ-1 fire truck. When I build it, what do you think - will it look very wrong next to a Su-34? :P


Do you mean fire truck based on the ZiS-5 chassis?
If so - only as a museum exhibit... :)


Actually, I'm just stupid - it's PMZ-2, not PMZ-1. I went to look at the box when I saw you wrote ZiS-5, because the kit I have looks like a US-6 - the box even says "PMZ-2 (US-6)".

I have a nice PMZ-27 fire truck, based on the ZiL-157. It is TT!


Very nice! Is it a custom?

The Ikarus busses I know very, very well - I love some of their designs from the 1950s, like Ikarus 30 and 55...

But earlier, in 1950s, the ZiS-127/ZiL-127 bus was in use:
http://denisovets.narod.ru/zil/zilprototips/ZIS127-1.jpg
http://denisovets.narod.ru/zil/zilprototips/ZIS127pic.jpg

- I think it is American-style


Whie it doesn't look like a specific American bus I can recognise, I don't think they'd look out of place. Are there any models?

But in 1930s-1950s Russians prefered to use passenger trains, not buses for long-distance travels...
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But there are places with no rails... :P

I like busses too, but... once I took the bus from Ottawa to Vancouver. That was WAY too long!
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Re: Russian = American! (Cars and trucks anyways...)

Postby Arseny » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:26 pm

Marquette wrote:
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Marquette wrote:I have a 1:72 kit of a PMZ-1 fire truck. When I build it, what do you think - will it look very wrong next to a Su-34? :P


Do you mean fire truck based on the ZiS-5 chassis?
If so - only as a museum exhibit... :)


Actually, I'm just stupid - it's PMZ-2, not PMZ-1. I went to look at the box when I saw you wrote ZiS-5, because the kit I have looks like a US-6 - the box even says "PMZ-2 (US-6)".


This one?

It is PMZ-2 fire engine based on the Studebaker US-6.
But usually PMZ-2 were ZiS-5 based...

I have a nice PMZ-27 fire truck, based on the ZiL-157. It is TT!


Very nice! Is it a custom?


Not fully "custom". It is additionally painted and rebulit model, made by Jakob "J.R."

The usual PMZ-27 model, available in TT:

http://12mm.ru/base/ideas/idea19/bigfoto/360big.jpg

The Ikarus busses I know very, very well - I love some of their designs from the 1950s, like Ikarus 30 and 55...


There are Ikarus-55 and Ikarus-66 available in TT, I have one. And also Ikarus-60 (I like it!) and Ikarus-630 and -620

http://12mm.ru/viewcard.php?id=62!61!73!65!2f!69!64!65!61!73!2f!69!64!65!61!32!35!2f

BTW, the Ikarus-2xx buses were in use in USA and Canada!

But earlier, in 1950s, the ZiS-127/ZiL-127 bus was in use:

- I think it is American-style


Whie it doesn't look like a specific American bus I can recognise, I don't think they'd look out of place. Are there any models?


Alas, no. :(
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Re: Russian = American! (Cars and trucks anyways...)

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Re: Russian = American! (Cars and trucks anyways...)

Postby Marquette » Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:57 pm

PMZ-2: Yes, it's exactly that kit. Got it on sale at a hobby shop for $5!

Ikarus TT: How readily available is the model of the Ikarus-55? Styling-wise, I think with a little effort it could look passable as a Greyhound bus... but hopefully one day someone will produce a ZiL-127 in TT.

ZiL-130: Definitely there's a superficial resemblance, maybe a bit of modifying the grille could make it pretty good.
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Re: Russian = American! (Cars and trucks anyways...)

Postby Arseny » Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:14 pm

Marquette wrote:Ikarus TT: How readily available is the model of the Ikarus-55? Styling-wise, I think with a little effort it could look passable as a Greyhound bus... but hopefully one day someone will produce a ZiL-127 in TT.


Ready model, made by Z&Z Exclusiv Modell company (Ukraine) - the same company that produce ZiS-150 and some other trucks.

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But usually they are white

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Re: Russian = American! (Cars and trucks anyways...)

Postby Marquette » Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:26 pm

White is even better - easier to repaint!

How much does the model cost?
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Re: Russian = American! (Cars and trucks anyways...)

Postby Arseny » Fri Apr 01, 2011 2:42 am

I depends of shop; I think, approx. 700-800 roubles = $25-$30.
Do you need it?

I've bought it in "Modell-Express" shop last year, but when I visited it last week, I did not see such bus in stock there. Only Ikarus-620/630:
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Modelldepo.ru does not have it in stock now, too... Maybe try to find any other model shop...
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Re: Russian = American! (Cars and trucks anyways...)

Postby Marquette » Fri Apr 01, 2011 6:48 am

Yes, I'd definitely be interested in an Ikarus 55!
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