Rocos BR 38 – a nice copy of Fleischmanns H0-model.

Re: Rocos BR 38 – a nice copy of Fleischmanns H0-model.

Postby CSD » Sun Mar 03, 2013 12:50 pm

Might as well weather it while it's apart.
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Re: Rocos BR 38 – a nice copy of Fleischmanns H0-model.

Postby ConducTTor » Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:00 pm

One thing at a time man! I got like 18 train related things going on right now :)
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Re: Rocos BR 38 – a nice copy of Fleischmanns H0-model.

Postby ConducTTor » Sun Mar 03, 2013 4:08 pm

Well took it apart an it's the wipers that are putting too much pressure on the wheels. Bend em back some and call it a day.


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Re: Rocos BR 38 – a nice copy of Fleischmanns H0-model.

Postby Christtking » Thu Dec 11, 2014 8:31 pm

I got my DR IV version a few days ago. Another beauty from ROCO. I just found a set of tender wheels (adapted with a gear in the center of the axle) in the bag with the extra accessories parts and I thought that was extra, thinking that now ROCO gives away spare parts, free of charge! The thing is that after I took the model out of the box to inspect it, study it and test it, I just found out that the last set of tender wheels (under the rear buffer beam) is not powered (it has no gear on the axle, it a dummy). I am guessing that the wheel set with the gear is to replace the actual one that came with the model to serve the purpose of extra traction, to pull more cars or to go faster (?). Anyway, the model looks good, tested good so far without load. Only two things I do not like about the model visually are: Number 1) the LEDs color (ROCO and some people call it warm white, I call it warm blue), I can live with that and number 2) the tender gear cover is painted black and not red as the rest of the model (bottom part). Maybe there is a reason behind it or maybe ROCO did not have any parts painted red. Easy fix! I give it a 9 stars out of 10.
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Re: Rocos BR 38 – a nice copy of Fleischmanns H0-model.

Postby dileTTante » Thu Dec 11, 2014 10:14 pm

Your recent post above brought my attention to the thread and I saw your question from last year.
Christtking wrote:Is this a different version of the BR 38? BECMANN TT makes one, Tillig makes one (I think Tillig's version is the old one from former JATT, then sold to Tillig, never build, sold to MMS, now back to Tillig, etc) that's why the models are more expensive these days, false advertisement and if available cost an arm and a leg.

Beckmann's BR38 is not the same BR38 as your Roco. Most internet information about the BR38 is for the one from KPEV used for commuter trains. The Beckmann loco is based on BR38 from Saxony. I never found much information about its service. I own a version of the Beckmann model and put information about it here -
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Re: Rocos BR 38 – a nice copy of Fleischmanns H0-model.

Postby Christtking » Fri Dec 12, 2014 12:53 am

Thank you very much dileTTante! Good to know! Of course Beckmann has to be always different, he places the motor in the boiler. Nice move! His models are unique and worth every penny. I've red the comments from the other link also. I am contemplating to get his version also. So, I am guessing here, it took Tillig a few years to revise the model "again" after he initially was supposed to release it on the market after he purchased almost all the models from JATT (or mister Jagochinski/I think I spelled it right/cashed out after he sold those models to mister Tillig), all Tillig did was advertise it as NEWS and then it went to MMS (including the other steamers). Those guys manufactured them only by taking special orders in first. BR 89, BR 65, BR 78, BR 38, BR 91 (all steam) were supposed to be handled by TILLIG, they even had instructions printed with spare parts listed for each model, I remember I got them when I've purchased my Tillig catalog with spare parts for every model available at that time (I think it was in 2001). Never seen the models. I think what Tillig did was he just boxed the surplus models leftover from JATT and sold them under his name. The story goes that the reason those models (from MMS) are (were) so espensive is that they are made out of zinc (some parts like the upper part=boiler, etc). I have not heard of MMS (Model Manufaktur Sebnitz) being around anymore. So my guess is that Tillig dissolved them (including MODIST) and took over the production of BR 38 also. Made of plastic of course! I do not know anything about Tillig's model, it looks to me that is similar to ROCO's model.
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Re: Rocos BR 38 – a nice copy of Fleischmanns H0-model.

Postby LVG1 » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:04 pm

dileTTante wrote:Beckmann's BR38 is not the same BR38 as your Roco. Most internet information about the BR38 is for the one from KPEV used for commuter trains. The Beckmann loco is based on BR38 from Saxony. I never found much information about its service.

Series 38 is a classification used for all commuter train locomotives with separate tender and a 4-6-0 wheel arrangement taken over by Deutsche Reichsbahn from other railroads and copies of them built later, respectively.

There were several different types using this number:
  • Series 380—former Bavarian class P3/5 (wet steam version); 36 units made, 13 units taken over by DR, numbers 38 001 ... 38 013
  • Series 382—former Saxon class XII H2 (speak: twelve-h-two); initially 159 units made, 124 units taken over by DR, numbers 38 201 ... 38 324; further 10 units purchased new by DR, numbers 38 325 ... 38 334
  • Series 384—former Bavarian class P3/5 (superheated steam version); 80 units ordered by the predecessor but delivered to DR, numbers 38 401 ... 38 480
  • Series 385—former Austrian South Railroad class 32f, taken over from Yugoslavia as series 109; 27 units made, 2 units taken over by DR (in 1943), numbers 38 501, 38 502
  • Series 3810—former Prussian, Mecklenburgian, Alsace-Lorrainese, Oldenburgian and Badenian class P8, partially taken over from Saarland as class P8, from Poland as series Ok1 and from Lithuania as class K8; all together about 3,800 units made (also for non-German railroads), initially 2,907 units taken over by DR, numbers 38 1001 ... 38 3833 und 38 3951 ... 4025; further 26 units purchased new by DR, numbers 38 4026 ... 38 4051; later further 221 units (which I know of) taken over from Saarland (in 1935), Alsace-Lorraine (in 1935), Poland (in 1941 and 1944, respectively) and Lithuania (in 1944), numbers 38 1005 ... 38 3906 (partially numbers of abandoned locomotives used for a second time; not all numbers used)
  • Series 3841—former Austrian South Railroad class 109, taken over from Austria as series 209 and from Yugoslavia as series 03, respectively; 44 units made; 17 units taken over from Austria (in 1939), numbers 38 4101 ... 38 4117; 13 units taken over from Yugoslavia (in 1943), numbers 38 4118 ... 38 4130
  • Series 3842—former Austrian North West Railroad class XIVa6 (speak: fourteen-a-six) and Buschtěhrad Railroad class VIII, taken over from Czechoslovakia as series 354.4; 24 units made, 16 units taken over by DR (in 1939), numbers 38 4201 ... 38 4216
  • Series 3843—former Austrian North West Railroad class XIVb (speak: fourteen-b), taken over from Czechoslovakia as series 354.4 (compound version); 19 units made, all taken over by DR (in 1939), numbers 38 4301 ... 38 4319
  • Series 3844—former Buschtěhrad Railroad class VIII (superheated steam version), taken over from Czechoslovakia as series 354.4; 4 units made, all taken over by DR (in 1939), numbers 38 4401 ... 38 4404
  • Series 3845—former Polish series Ok22; 200 units made, 130 units taken over (in 1941 and 1944, respectively), numbers 38 4501 ... 38 4630
  • Series 3870—former Badenian class IVe (speak: four-e); 83 units made, 35 units taken over by DR, numbers 38 7001 ... 38 7007, 38 7021 ... 38 7025, 38 7031 ... 38 7034, 38 4041 ... 38 7046, 38 7061 ... 38 7073

They were all intended for commuter services but also operated other trains when necessary. So their fields of application are the same. They were only primarily used in different regions.
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