prototypes for a couple of PVM cars

prototypes for a couple of PVM cars

Postby scaro » Thu Jan 06, 2011 10:58 am

couple of odd (well, to me) cars that PVM make. i'd like to know who used them.

first is this twin ribside hopper http://www.ttscale.com/members/cer/cer_hppr1b.jpg

i believe CNJ owned a bunch of them, though i believe i heard it said that this one is a specific PRR type. any comments?

next is this double door 40' boxcar http://www.ttscale.com/members/cer/Box3.jpg

which maybe more common - roads serving the auto industry, maybe? wabash? NKP?

the next is the double door box with a choice of plug or sliding door. not sure of the 'what, where and why' of these at all but i imagine it is not common. http://www.ttscale.com/members/pvm/ps1dd40bc.jpg

be pleased to hear any views.

ben
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Re: prototypes for a couple of PVM cars

Postby emckay7067 » Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:29 pm

The first two were remakes from one of the older TT manufacturers who went out of business a long time ago.

The last one is one I made the masters for.

In TT scale, because there is not much available, generic models were made. That is, there are representatives of a common car type. All three car types are still used in service on US railroads somewhere today, but were in heavy use from the 40's to the 80's by almost all railroads. I can not give specifics because I don't know them. If you do a search on the car names, surely you can find some prototype photos of the real thing.

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Re: prototypes for a couple of PVM cars

Postby scaro » Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:09 pm

thanks. there were answers to some of these questions a little while later on the forum, but on another thread. one guy here knows a lot about who owned what- marquette. i think we worked out that the ribside fisbhelly style hopper was very much a northeastern type- CNJ, D&H, LV, Reading and WM. not sure PRR owned them though. a few other roads did- the original NS and the ACL which converted some for phosphate traffic. there were probably other owners i imagine as they would have been sold off by NE RRs when the anthracite traffic died away.

i think i determined myself a few months back that 40' plug/sliding door boxcars were relatively uncommon and were mainly a northwestern thing - GN, NP and UP and BCR/PGE in canada. those were the only owners i managed to drag up. really nice model.
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Re: prototypes for a couple of PVM cars

Postby scaro » Fri Jun 10, 2011 8:20 am

scaro wrote:the next is the double door box with a choice of plug or sliding door. not sure of the 'what, where and why' of these at all but i imagine it is not common. http://www.ttscale.com/members/pvm/ps1dd40bc.jpg

be pleased to hear any views.

ben



from the steam era freight car list and a couple of other sites, i've dug up some info. these cars were bought by CB&Q, CP, GN, MILW, NP, PGE, RI, SOO, UP. (i cant find any corroboration for RI having 40' ones, though they did have 50' ones)

the reasoning behind the odd door arrangement was to provide a wide door opening for lumber traffic, on a car that could still be coopered with standard grain doors for grain loading, and no more were built once covered hoppers had superseded boxcars for grain loading. there was a fair variety of door and end arrangements and riveted and smooth sides.

there's a review of an HO model with some proto info in Railroad Model Craftsman May09 p.92
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