Possum Valley FA & FB on the way

Possum Valley FA & FB on the way

Postby scaro » Wed Mar 23, 2011 6:09 am

for those not on the TT_IMS forum it is worth noting that Elmer has announced an alco FA & FB shell on the way. it's to be powered by a Hollywood Foundry mech which the modeller sources.

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Re: Possum Valley FA & FB on the way

Postby Arseny » Wed Mar 23, 2011 7:40 am

Great news! I did not notice it in the message...
(There is a russian proverb - "I just haven't noticed an elephant!.." :) )

BTW, just today Oleg Baronov told me on the maretmarket.ru forum about the Alco diesels made by A&K (German):

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Are these the same models?

And why he does not use his own chassis for the F3?..
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Re: Possum Valley FA & FB on the way

Postby scaro » Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:21 am

i think parts availiability from tillig was causing delays, especially as he had to order large quantities. if you contact elmer, he is very helpful and he gave me the details of what i needed to order if I wanted to do my own GP9 or F chassis.

however, an F3 is longer than an FA so the chassis would not be correct anyway. and an FA's AAR trucks are 4" longer than an EMD blomberg, and the tillig truck used is already too short by 6". so that's an overall 10" discrepancy.

it may be that these FAs are the kemtron mouldings, which are some years old, but rather nice.

sorry to be a spoilsport, but santa fe, so far as i know, didn't own any FAs. it's a fantasy scheme. L&N did, though.
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Re: Possum Valley FA & FB on the way

Postby Arseny » Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:46 am

And do you know, if any railroads used only FA units? Without FB?

I have a very few space, so it would be better for me to use only FA...
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Re: Possum Valley FA & FB on the way

Postby Marquette » Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:53 am

FA-1/FB-1 roster

Canadian National
FA-1: 9400-9407

Canadian Pacific
FA-1: 4000-4027
FB-1: 4400-4423

Central do Brasil
FA-1: 3201-3212

Erie
FA-1: 725A, D - 735A, D (pairs of units: 725A+725D, etc.)
FB-1: 725B, C - 735B, C

Ferrocarriles SCOP (Mexico)
FA-1: 23031-23034, 23039

Great Northern
FA-1: 276A, 276B, 310A, 310C, 440 A, 440D, 442A, 442D
FB-1: 310B, 440B, 440C, 442B, 442C

Green Bay & Western
FA-1: 501-503, 507

Gulf, Mobile & Ohio
FA-1: 700-754
FB-1: B1-B33

Lehigh & New England
FA-1: 701-710
FB-1: 751-753

Lehigh Valley
FA-1: 530-548 (even numbers only)
FB-1: 531-539 (odd numbers only)

Missouri-Kansas-Texas
FA-1: 326A, C - 334A, C

Missouri Pacific
FA-1: 301-330
FB-1: 301B-325B

New York Central
FA-1: 1000-1043
FB-1: 2300-2322

New Haven
FA-1: 0400-0429
FB-1: 0450-0464

Pennsylvania
FA-1: 9600-9607
FB-1: 9600B-9607B

Reading
FA-1: 300A-305A
FB-1: 300B-305B

Rock Island
FA-1: 145-160
FB-1: 145B-152B

Soo Line
FA-1: 205A, B - 211A, B; 2220A, B - 2223A, B

St Louis-San Francisco "Frisco"
FA-1: 5200-5231
FB-1: 5300-5315

Seaboard Air Line
FA-1: 4200-4202
FB-1: 4300-4302

Spokane, Portland & Seattle
FA-1: 850A-1, A-2 - 860A-1, A-2 (even numbers only), 866A-1, 866A-2
FB-1: 856B-1, B-2 - 860B-1, B-2 (even numbers only), 866B-1, 866B-2

Tennessee Central
FA-1: 801-805
FB-1: 801B

Union Pacific
FA-1: 1500A-1543A, 1626-1643
FB-1: 1524B-1541B, 1618B, C - 1642B, C

Wabash
FA-1: 1200, 1200A - 1204, 1204A
FB-1: 1200B - 1204B

So, Arseny, your Soo Line had only FAs - and I think they looked quite nice in the original diesel scheme, maroon with gold striping and lettering...

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Also you'll notice many roads had more As than Bs. FAs, like the EMD F units, were operated either as A unit alone, or in sets: A+A, A+B+A, A+B+B+A; some roads also did A+B or A+B+B. So on a short line with short trains (like what your layout probably represents), a solo A unit is perfectly fine!
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Re: Possum Valley FA & FB on the way

Postby scaro » Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:40 am

Some RRs found the 244 engine problematic and re-engined FAs with EMD 567s. In the case of the Rock, they even equipped some repowered units with Blomberg trucks. These units were just as likely to be coupled to EMD hood and cab units. They were not a popular unit to run solo, as they needed turning at the end of the run. But it did happen.

L&N does not appear in the above list of original owners. i think they bought theirs from the Lehigh & New England.

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Re: Possum Valley FA & FB on the way

Postby ConducTTor » Wed Mar 23, 2011 11:02 am

Good stuff! Perhaps details of availability/price/how to order/what exactly do you get/etc would be helpful. Especially for those not registered on the yahoo group.

scaro wrote:if you contact elmer, he is very helpful and he gave me the details of what i needed to order if I wanted to do my own GP9 or F chassis.


Another bit of information that would be helpful if made public.

I don't understand how keeping info "private" and "contact me personally for info" and all that is helping anyone let alone the advancement of the scale. Come to think of it, it's why I didn't get into NA tt until I started making my own stuff - cause it's a pain in the Haggis just to figure out what hoops one has to jump through just to get to the possibility of maybe one day getting some parts from somewhere that may end up in a locomotive that just might work.
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Re: Possum Valley FA & FB on the way

Postby Arseny » Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:15 pm

So, Arseny, your Soo Line had only FAs - and I think they looked quite nice in the original diesel scheme, maroon with gold striping and lettering...


Yes! I am sure it would be looking nice.
Must have.

I don't understand how keeping info "private" and "contact me personally for info" and all that is helping anyone let alone the advancement of the scale.


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Re: Possum Valley FA & FB on the way

Postby richardedmonds » Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:00 pm

scaro wrote:i think parts availiability from tillig was causing delays, especially as he had to order large quantities. if you contact elmer, he is very helpful and he gave me the details of what i needed to order if I wanted to do my own GP9 or F chassis.

however, an F3 is longer than an FA so the chassis would not be correct anyway. and an FA's AAR trucks are 4" longer than an EMD blomberg, and the tillig truck used is already too short by 6". so that's an overall 10" discrepancy.

it may be that these FAs are the kemtron mouldings, which are some years old, but rather nice.

sorry to be a spoilsport, but santa fe, so far as i know, didn't own any FAs. it's a fantasy scheme. L&N did, though.


Your right Ben, these are Kemtron copies. The kemtron was one of the better products from way back and to my mind is a pretty accurate model. I beleive the original was around 2mm too high though. Whether or not that could be rectified with a different chassis I do not know just yet. The brass truck casting measures at 23.67mm which if I am right is pretty much spot on. whether or not a tillig truck can get close enough to this I do not know. However one of Geoff Baxters Bullants would get it perfect. So all in all this should be a pretty good kit . I have an original unbuilt Kemtron kit here if you want me to measure anything else.
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Re: Possum Valley FA & FB on the way

Postby scaro » Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:22 pm

ConducTTor wrote:Good stuff! Perhaps details of availability/price/how to order/what exactly do you get/etc would be helpful. Especially for those not registered on the yahoo group.

Another bit of information that would be helpful if made public.

I don't understand how keeping info "private" and "contact me personally for info" and all that is helping anyone let alone the advancement of the scale.


why not register on TT_IMS? i am surprised you aren't. i don't think the discussion was private. the topic of tillig trucks came up on the forum a few times, but the upshot was it was hard getting the bits and maybe not many wanted to know that kind of detail, but i don't know. i dug up the posts by digging through archived forum messages and then pestering people. i always do this; i learnt long ago not to wait for a PSA.

i forgot it because the tillig is an 8'6" truck and not much use to me. about the time i was going to buy the GP chassis i lost my job so i didn't pursue it. there was also a discussion between mr hollywood and others that is informative on the matter of trucks.

however ... there's apparently some bowser trolley truck that may have regauging potential too, but again, not something i ever paid much heed to. hmm, maybe i ought have, they seem to have introduced some new sizes:

http://www.bowser-trains.com/hoother/tr ... c/misc.htm

looks like it might have potential, given 6'6" wb in HO = 9' in TT. 28" (H0) wheels you'd think would be the right ones. 8.17mm = 40" in TT.

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