Piko vs Tillig / Kuehn

Piko vs Tillig / Kuehn

Postby ConducTTor » Wed Jun 17, 2009 5:43 pm

Just curious if anyone has had the chance to compare the driving characteristics of Piko locomotives versus those of Kuehn and Tillig. The Pikos are cheaper and part of that is due to the level of detail but I wonder if the motor / drive-line are also affected by the price point. I have locos of all 3 companies but haven't had a chance to properly run anything due to a layout with no rail on it yet :(
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Re: Piko vs Tillig / Kuehn

Postby Markus » Fri Jun 19, 2009 3:29 pm

I have three Piko locos, two Hercules and one Taurus, and I am very satisfied with these. Sure, the detail level is lower than on Tillig´s or Kuehn´s locos, but they work well, definitely on the same level as Tillig. The motors are quite strong (I have a 5 percent steep slope, and they pull a 6 car train up the slope without any problem), and I think the locos definitely are worth the cost.
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Re: Piko vs Tillig / Kuehn

Postby ConducTTor » Fri Jun 19, 2009 3:58 pm

Nice to know. I have two of the Hercules myself and am very happy with them as well, was mainly curious about their pulling abilities. Euro Train Hobby got a shipment of a LOT of Piko stuff recently and I'll probably pick up another locomotive or two. For anyone else that may be interested, here is a link directly to that page http://www.eurotrainhobby.com/index_cat.php/cPath/105_239?osCsid=lma5aid6c37igc2v8li51k4hm5
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Re: Piko vs Tillig / Kuehn

Postby BTTB Fan » Fri Jun 19, 2009 8:37 pm


The link without session ID works better: http://www.eurotrainhobby.com/index_cat.php/cPath/105_239 ;)
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Re: Piko vs Tillig / Kuehn

Postby ConducTTor » Fri Jun 19, 2009 9:31 pm

DOH! Thanks :mrgreen:
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Re: Piko vs Tillig / Kuehn

Postby member13 » Sun Jun 21, 2009 2:23 pm

Piko has a new model as well that is not on available at Euro Train Hobby (yet? - maybe they get it soon?). It's the BR 151, and from all the pictures I've seen the pantographs seem a bit silly. I'm guessing that it will be an easy mod to a pantograph set from another manufacturer? Here's the 151

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Here is the Piko version. Note the pantograph supports :(

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Re: Piko vs Tillig / Kuehn

Postby Christtking » Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:22 pm

Piko models are very fast due to the powerfull motors they use. The speed can be slowed down by adapting a resistor (value not known at the moment, I have to do my homework on this one) across the motor contacts or a current adjustor (pot, potentiometer). Class 182 electrics (the Taurus), the diesel (Hercules) and especilly the new diesels come equipped without any marker lights. Please people do not forget these models are in the HOBBY category, so they are manufactured as simply as posible. Class 151's are lacking red LEDs for marker lights also, which can be installed by the rightfull owner (s), please pay close attention to the polarity, do not forget the capacitors and the resistors (add only the right values) by measuring the existing one installed on the circuit boards. Do not forget to replace the existing red rods on the front ends of the model with transparent plastic rods (red colour). About article # 47200, I agree the model has a funky out of this world pantograph. Seems like PIKO did not want to use the existing Tillig pantos (article # 08887) that are kind of expensive about 14 Euros each, the only problem is that the arm and the bottom swinging part are painted red, maybe Tillig will release in the future a basalt gray version. The supporting bottom braket and the 4 insulators/panto, that I'm not sure if they are available with this panto. The pantos (article # 08885 and 08886) red also come with the supporting bottom braket and insulators. For the gray colour pantos you have to look up the part number on the list in Tillig's spare parts catalog or in the spare list of parts of a BR 155 (Tillig) article number 02335 A or 02336, if you want to make your PIKO BR 151 (47200) look like the real thing. Spend a little time to do some research and spend a few bucks to make that puppy look like the real thing. Also, another thing I've noticed the PIKO models (clas 151's) do not have any steps, and the buffers are oblong (rectangular) on all their models. Article 47200 is correct: 47201, 47202 and 47203 are wrong since they are replicas of prototypes from era IV (4) the correct buffers should be round. Models could be found (if available on the market from the manufacturer) at Modellbahn Puerner (http://www.puerner.de). Hope I could be of any help to anyone posting this info.
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Re: Piko vs Tillig / Kuehn

Postby ConducTTor » Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:27 pm

Regarding the BR 151, the model's lights are way bigger than the prototype. That's kept me from buying one.
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Re: Piko vs Tillig / Kuehn

Postby Christtking » Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:15 pm

For "member13". I just looked at some pictures of the model manufactured by Kuehn, electric BR 185 (ITL version) article 32205 , and I was wondering if that type of pantograph could be used on the model made by PIKO. I do not know if the same one it is used in real life on BR 151, also. Another thing is to research some of "Sommerfeldt's" products. I am not sure if they manufacture such type of pantograph.
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