PIKO BR 151 RAILION Artikelnr.47200

PIKO BR 151 RAILION Artikelnr.47200

Postby anotherTTnut » Sun Apr 03, 2011 12:48 am

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side view
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top
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inside
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Re: PIKO BR 151 RAILION Artikelnr.47200

Postby anotherTTnut » Sun Apr 03, 2011 12:59 am

couple more pictures......
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8 pin Decoder plug
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on CSD`s layout
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different angle
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directional lighting
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Re: PIKO BR 151 RAILION Artikelnr.47200

Postby scaro » Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:05 am

I bought a PIKO BR151 yesterday. It’s a nice chassis , though it was in pieces within an hour of me getting home.

Interestingly, unlike the Hercules, the BR151 has a more conventional (and dare I say higher quality) mechanism. Where the Hercules has wheels pushed onto a delrin axle/gear muff the BR151 has a 1.5mm dia steel axle, black plastic gear and wheels with bushings. The centre axle is not powered –it has no gear on it.

This to me looked a handicap, as it looks as if you can’t adjust the overall truck wheelbase and are limited to moving the centre axle - unless you want to end up with a truck powered on only one axle, not great. The 20 +16.8mm wheelbase of the truck is something unlike any US designed loco. I want to move in the front axle in to 14mm spacing from the centre axle, to do the kind of truck you’d see under an Alco or early GE six axle unit. However it looks as if you can swap the axles around so the centre one is powered and I could then have the front axle as the dummy . This will involve cutting a slot in the bottom of the truck frame so that the new geared centre axle is able to rotate freely. It all looks doable in theory anyway. I have to say the PIKO does look a very robust design and I believe that’s been the experience of 3mm modellers.

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Re: PIKO BR 151 RAILION Artikelnr.47200

Postby Christtking » Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:19 am

Nice model (including the other versions also). Kind of dissapointed that PIKO did not go all the way to the extreme, at least finish this version by giving it a more realistic 1 arm pantographs. And (this goes for all the versions) add some more resistors, capacitors and red SMD (nano) for the markerlights. Some people like myself like to have them MARKERLIGHTS "ON". That's OK !, more work for me to pile up on the back burner.
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Re: PIKO BR 151 RAILION Artikelnr.47200

Postby Christtking » Thu Oct 30, 2014 9:26 am

Need some help please! I am planning to adapt red color SMD nano LEDs to the boards that provide only headlights. So far I've purchased only the SMD nano LEDs. Does anyone know what is the value of the capacitor (s) 22 micro F (good enough?), the value of the resistors (for the SMD LEDs)? I need correct numbers please, because I do not want to unsolder the original existing components already soldered on the boards, try to cause less damage or work. Thanks in advance!
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Re: PIKO BR 151 RAILION Artikelnr.47200

Postby Christtking » Fri Oct 31, 2014 11:23 am

I apologise if my comment (s) about the other versions are made in this link (post?). According to the facts, PIKO released 3 batches of each version (color) since the first time the models hit the market. Each batch was built in different year (period?) and each version has a different running number. To identify them the correct way, PIKO serialises them on their boxes after the article number with a dash followed by the batch number. e.g 47202 - 1 or 2or 3. I am not sure if PIKO is doing this with all the other articles (seems like they do). FACT: to my knowledge only this article # 47200 remained the same (no new running number). Ok! Let me jump to what I had in mind. Article number 47201, Green/ black version DB era IV, -1 model released with running number 151 026 - 2, batch - 2 (151 029 - 6), latest batch - 3 (151 049 - 4). All the models (from all the batches) are adapted with rectangular (oblong) buffers and scissor type pantographs. I just consulted the web site (among others) http://www.br151.de. Loco 151 026 - 2 (real life have round buffers), no photo available on the web site mentioned above. PIKO model needs the buffers removed and replaced with (modified) round ones. DONE! Panthos -correct!
151 029 - 6 (47201-2) same thing.
151 049 - 4 (47201-3) model has correct buffers as the modified real life prototype, wrong pantographs (should have single arm type). The inscriptions are different font also.
To my knowledge and according to the many photos I've seen with real life aggregates only the locos with the new red/white DB logo (keks) were modified (adapted with rectangular/oblong) buffers and some were adapted with 1 arm type pantographs (testing purposes?)
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151-049Wanne-Eickel04022007SL.jpg

LVG1 could you please help us out with your wisdom, like always!
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Re: PIKO BR 151 RAILION Artikelnr.47200

Postby Christtking » Fri Oct 31, 2014 3:45 pm

151_003-1.jpg
151_049-4.jpg
151_049-4+151_078-3.jpg
151_049-4-E50_091.jpg
DB_151049Kn.jpg
Some more photos with the help from the web page railfaneurope
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Re: PIKO BR 151 RAILION Artikelnr.47200

Postby Christtking » Fri Oct 31, 2014 3:49 pm

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Exceptions? Seems to me that the red/white logo went on first before the round buffers were replaced with the rectangular ones
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Re: PIKO BR 151 RAILION Artikelnr.47200

Postby LVG1 » Sat Nov 01, 2014 2:18 pm

Christtking wrote:LVG1 could you please help us out with your wisdom, like always!

It sounds quite a bit sarcastic, doesn't it?
Okay, not so much of a problem for me.

Minor changes of the technology of locomotives are usually not published. And those few railfans interested in these details usually go the same way, you did. They simply consult images. So reliable research about those details is relatively complicated because there is no data base containing complete information about all changes of all locomotives of a certain type.

I only know that all locomotives of this type were delivered with round buffers and scissor-type pantographs. So for all locomotives in delivery livery round buffers and scissor-type pantographs are prototypical (at least for the most time of their existence).
From 151 001-5 until 151 075-9 (except for 151 073-4) were delivered in green. 151 073-4 and from 151 076-7 until 151 170-8 were delivered in ocean blue / ivory. 151 044-5 was the only green locomotive of this type which was ever recolored into blue / ivory. Recoloring into orient red started in 1990 and into traffic red in 1997.

The oldest images with rectangular buffers at these locomotives which I've found were from 2001 (all liveries). And yes, that time the initial DB logo was not valid any more.
That parallels the time when most of the current types of freight locomotives were introduced. Possibly they mounted the same type of buffers also used on these modern locos to make storage of replacement parts cheaper and more simple. May also be that the officials raised the requirements for buffers in freight traffic and for heavy trains, respectively, so the initial buffers didn't fulfil them any more.

One-arm pantographs I haven't found on photos from earlier than 2003—again only without initial DB logo. That time, many types of locomotives got these pantographs. So it was kind of comprehensive standardization.
I haven't found any image of an ocean blue / ivory locomotive of this type with one-arm pantographs. And 151 049-4 was the only DB-owned green locomotive so equipped which I found photos of. But this loco is something special. It was intended to be DB's heritage locomotive of this type. That's the only reason why it kept its green color and the original DB logo until early 2008. So this very late equipment is anything but a good example for what was typical for these locomotives.

I guess, I couldn't help too much. But I'm neither a sorcerer nor a clairvoyant. I also need a good fundament of information.
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Re: PIKO BR 151 RAILION Artikelnr.47200

Postby Christtking » Sat Nov 01, 2014 3:16 pm

To LVG1: Sarcastic? Not at all, I mean it! I've mentioned your user name because seems to me you are the only one that knows a lot, that the reason I've called for help. Thank you! Very helpful info as always! So, after all the PIKO models (the ones in question are wrong). I will have to modify them according to the photos of the real life prototypes.
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