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Re: Native English-speakers wanted - word SHALL

Postby Arseny » Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:04 pm

Hmm, thank you guys, but I still do not understand everything... :think:

“I shall drown...” is a cry of despair, simply predicting imminent death


but

"I shall motorise that GP9 by the end of the year" - it means that I'm determined to do it.


I am a little bit confused.
Does "I shall..." mean strong emotion, determination etc., or simply predicting something in the future?
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Re: Native English-speakers wanted - word SHALL

Postby areibel » Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:54 pm

Just speak like a true native. Say "I'll" or "I'm gonna!"
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Re: Native English-speakers wanted - word SHALL

Postby CFRiad » Sat Apr 13, 2019 10:41 pm

Arseny wrote:Hmm, thank you guys, but I still do not understand everything... :think:

“I shall drown...” is a cry of despair, simply predicting imminent death


but

"I shall motorise that GP9 by the end of the year" - it means that I'm determined to do it.


I am a little bit confused.

"I shall motorise that GP9 by the end of the year" - means that I'll do it when I get around to it, maybe. It does not show determination. "I will motorise it" would have meant that I am determined.

Keep in mind that even native speakers get confused. That is why "shall" has mostly fallen out of everyday use. It is still used a bit in British and Indian English, almost never in American and Canadian English. Not sure if Ausies or Kiwis use "shall". Maybe TiTTan can chime in.

If you want to sound North American, keep it simple, follow areible's advice:
areibel wrote:Just speak like a true native. Say "I'll" or "I'm gonna!"
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Re: Native English-speakers wanted - word SHALL

Postby RodTT » Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:04 am

Arseny wrote:Hmm, thank you guys, but I still do not understand everything... :think:

“I shall drown...” is a cry of despair, simply predicting imminent death


but

"I shall motorise that GP9 by the end of the year" - it means that I'm determined to do it.


I am a little bit confused.
Does "I shall..." mean strong emotion, determination etc., or simply predicting something in the future?

I should have said why I used italics for shall in my example. This was deliberate, to denote putting more stress on the word when speaking. This shows more determination to motorise the GP9 by the end of the year. In fact I would say there's very little difference, if any, between "shall" and "will" if you stress them in this way to show determination.
In any case, as has been said, people tend to use more colloquial expressions these days.
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Re: Native English-speakers wanted - word SHALL

Postby Arseny » Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:11 am

Ok; got it;l thank you, guys!
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