Modist CSD Halberstadt, Ep.IV, 3 Wagon Set, 210195

Modist CSD Halberstadt, Ep.IV, 3 Wagon Set, 210195

Postby CSD » Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:08 am

This wagon set was offered as a limited edition from Modist Modellbahndistribution and was also distributed by Tillig as article number 210195. The set consists of two second class and one first class wagons which feature different car numbering in CSD, 90's era (end of communism before Czechoslovakia split into the Czech Republic and Slovakia) colour scheme.

Overall the models have a very good appearance. The paint is opaque and has crisp edges with an eggshell finish. The molded plastic is also sharp. A couple of detail parts are included to be be installed on the wheel trucks. Interior is detailed and provision for the installation of lighting is made. Close couplers bring the car diaphragms within 0.5 mm of each other and are of the modern Tillig type. Weight is very good. Rolling friction from the metal wheel sets is low.

Instructions have a picture of the HO scale models and feature installation instructions for details of that scale, however; truck detail installation is the same for both. A translation is not required as the instructions have no words.
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Re: Modist CSD Halberstadt, Ep.IV, 3 Wagon Set, 210195

Postby CSD » Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:10 am

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Re: Modist CSD Halberstadt, Ep.IV, 3 Wagon Set, 210195

Postby LVG1 » Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:20 am

They are not "Halberstadt" cars.

In Halberstadt there were repair shops of DR which produced passenger cars when the car manufacturers were overloaded with export orders. But Halberstadt never produced for export. And Halberstadt never made Z-type cars like these.

These cars came from regular car manufacturers. I'm not sure if they were made in Görlitz or Bautzen—but not in Halberstadt.
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Re: Modist CSD Halberstadt, Ep.IV, 3 Wagon Set, 210195

Postby j p » Sun Aug 12, 2012 11:13 am

They look like the ones made by TT-Modell.
But the car number on your Amee is differnt and the trucks are also different.
Some differences can be found also at the bottom. I haven't seen the botttom of the prototype, so it is hard to guess which one is correct :)
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Modist CSD Halberstadt, Ep.IV, 3 Wagon Set, 210195

Postby CSD » Sun Aug 12, 2012 12:46 pm

I have one made by TT model. For over $50 I have a much higher expectation than what they deliver. These Modist cars are much nicer.
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Modist CSD Halberstadt, Ep.IV, 3 Wagon Set, 210195

Postby CSD » Sun Aug 12, 2012 12:51 pm

As for the Halberstadt designation, that is how they are categorized on the box and in the instructions. Not to say you are not correct.
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Re: Modist CSD Halberstadt, Ep.IV, 3 Wagon Set, 210195

Postby LVG1 » Sun Aug 12, 2012 4:40 pm

In Halberstadt they initially made 4-axle "Reko" cars (18.7 m long). After a larger factory building was openned, they built X-type cars (26.4 m long). They were the longest single-story cars in GDR and were called "Lange Halberstädter" (long Halberstadt-cars).
Because they were the first cars of this length on DR rails, some people thought, "Lange Halberstädter" was a synonym for 26.4 m long cars. Probably, Modist was taken in by this error.
But the cars shown are definitely no "Lange Halberstädter". They are Z-type cars.
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Re: Modist CSD Halberstadt, Ep.IV, 3 Wagon Set, 210195

Postby Christtking » Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:39 pm

The green cars for this Czech version look more like Bauzen type, because of the automatic doors. The Halberstadt type of cars (more modern) were longer versions of the previous shorter versions of type Y/B 70 cars. Halberstadt cars came in 2 simple versions when first designed: End entries and center entries (sort of Silberlinge).
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Re: Modist CSD Halberstadt, Ep.IV, 3 Wagon Set, 210195

Postby LVG1 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:19 pm

Christtking wrote:The green cars for this Czech version look more like Bauzen type, because of the automatic doors.


In GDR (almost) all parts were standardized and used by several manufacturers. So the sliding doors are definitely not a good indication of the manufacturer.
But in this particular case you may be right because Ammendorf produced for Soviet Union only and the cars shown are not included in my list of Görliz-made cars. So Bautzen is the only manufacturer remaining which produced for export.

Christtking wrote:The Halberstadt type of cars (more modern) were longer versions of the previous shorter versions of type Y/B 70 cars. Halberstadt cars came in 2 simple versions when first designed: End entries and center entries (sort of Silberlinge).


I'ld not say that the X-type cars made in Halberstadt were a more modern version of the B-, Y- an Y/B70-types of passenger cars.
The Halberstadt cars simply follow a different standard. And those details, which are not arranged by this standard, had been developed independently and used in several series of Y/B70-type cars before.

By the way:
There were more versions made in Halberstadt.
  • center entries coach with open seating
  • end entries coach with 10 compartments (1st class)
  • end entries coach with 11 compartments (2nd class)
And I'm not sure if the combined coaches with baggage compartment were also made in Halberstadt.
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Re: Modist CSD Halberstadt, Ep.IV, 3 Wagon Set, 210195

Postby Christtking » Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:13 pm

I just went by what Modist describes in their instruction sheet (above photo).
How about the car that was transporting prisoners to and fom jail/prison? I think it was a modified version of a centre entries, 26,4 m, UIC type X. Few years back the English magazine "Continental Modeller", May issue from year 1998. It has one interesting article about an East German prison coach (es). The last surviving prison coach was a rebuilt one from a standard 26.4 m UIC coach in 1987 at Halberstadt works, and the interior was fitted out at Postdam works. Total of five built, only one survivor remains on a siding at Bautzen station, running number 57 50 09-15 009-6. The bibliography for this article was taken from: Deutsche Reichsbahn, Kursbuch fiur die Gefangenenwagen, Mainz , 1979 (reprint), F.B., Knast auf Schienen, Eisenbahn Magazin 5/97, page 38, Kiubler, Karlheinz, Scwere Jungen fahren in Zellenwagen, Der Eisenbahnfachmann, 1961, vol.35, pages 228/229 and Stadtverwaltung Bautzener Gefangnisse, Bautzen 1996 (leaflet). The article shows some pictures, also.
Not sure about the combined coaches, either.
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