Model wheel proportions

Re: Model wheel proportions

Postby Marquette » Thu Jan 14, 2010 10:14 pm

TT is *not* regarded as a toy scale in Europe. In Western Europe it is perhaps viewed as a curiosity, but in Germany it is considered a mainstream scale (especially in the former East Germany), and in Eastern Europe, it is *the* dominant scale, eclipsing even HO.

Well, from my impressions from talking to people on the German TT forum (where I am a member - I speak German), the regard for the NEM standards is more like "well, this is what there is". Most seem to have a desire for something finer than that, and so there have been efforts to produce some RP-25 wheelsets, and some experiments with Proto:87 standards. One of the big things holding developments in this area back, though, is the preponderance of older Tillig and BTTB/Zeuke products still around in great number, and the fact that many people have layouts built to suit those pizzacutter wheels. So, support for that is viewed as a necessary evil, and the general consensus seems to be to tolerate the continued issuance of new product with the old standards to fill that need, and then, anyone who wants finer wheels and trackwork can refit their equipment with these finer wheels, and lay their trackwork accordingly. The amount of attention that's given to prototype accuracy of the models is indicative of this - they would, if possible, prefer a (much) finer standard for wheels and trackwork, but at the same time, are worried that if Tillig et al suddenly shift to a finer standard that would render much older equipment/trackwork incompatible, that big problems would arise. To fill the need/desire for finer wheels, companies like Weinert and others do produce RP-25 wheelsets, which are considerably better than the NEM standard.

Regarding the market: just the German market alone would warrant a second major manufacturer beside Tillig, and if you add the Polish, Czech, Slovak, Hungarian and Russian markets to the mix - in each of which TT is the majority scale - then two major manufacturers would be more than able to succeed.

However, there is a general view on the German TT forums that when another major manufacturer comes along expressing an interest in going into TT, Tillig fights it - either by buying up the line, if started (example: JATT), or through negotiations (which seemed to be the case with Roco, though that may be changing again). Tillig is in (from their view) a great position - they are THE superpower of TT, so what they want, essentially goes. Most if not everyone on the German TT board wish for another major manufacturer to come along into TT, one who would not bow to Tillig's demands and who would become *true* competition; they feel that that is the only certain way to bring some change to the scale (including possible revision of standards towards something finer).

From my North American viewpoint, all I can say is that I *wish* those were the sorts of problems we had to deal with in N.Am TT!
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Re: Model wheel proportions

Postby ConducTTor » Thu Jan 14, 2010 10:27 pm

Very insightful. Thank you.
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Re: Model wheel proportions

Postby scaro » Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:02 pm

Thank you TTQuebec, that is a helpful post. Can you give any details on what wheels Weinert make for TT? I have been able to find their H0 range but no TT ones.

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Re: Model wheel proportions

Postby Marquette » Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:27 am

Hi Ben,

I can't offhand give any info. It's not something I looked into, I just recall reading of it in one or some of the many discussions on wheels that happen at the German board. (It's almost like our yearly "if only Atlas or Bachmann..." subject!)
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Re: Model wheel proportions

Postby ConducTTor » Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:33 am

TTQuebec wrote: (It's almost like our yearly "if only Atlas or Bachmann..." subject!)


Well, maybe the question that I posted will start the 2010 version for them :mrgreen:
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Re: Model wheel proportions

Postby scaro » Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:50 am

TTQuebec wrote:Hi Ben,

(It's almost like our yearly "if only Atlas or Bachmann..." subject!)


Eeeeek! Not that! Sounds a good deal more worthwhile than that, but if it has that kind of status, then does that mean it's a bit of a go-nowhere topic for the German modellers?

I made a small boxvan tonight to 'test the concept' of this unholy in-between 2.7mm/ft scale. http://www.robx1.net/index/index.htm

Doesn't look bad really. Slightly smaller than a 3mm boxvan, but close enough that you could confuse it, just slightly wider than one of Elmer's PVM boxcars, though a bit lower.

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Re: Model wheel proportions

Postby ConducTTor » Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:08 pm

I got a very good response from one of the guys at tt-board.de AND it's in English. Here is a link to the thread: http://www.tt-board.de/forum/showthread ... post518044

There are two pictures at the bottom of the thread which you will not be able to see if you're not a registered user - I've been given permission to post them here:

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Re: Model wheel proportions

Postby ConducTTor » Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:38 pm

BTW, here is a link to the company that manufactures rails and wheels at more appropriate sizes (site is in German): http://www.tt-filigran.de/ (will be added to our links section for future reference)
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Re: Model wheel proportions

Postby scaro » Sat Jan 16, 2010 5:24 pm

Hi ConducTTor, can you point to the section in the site where the wheels are? I have searched it thoroughly and can only see rail and a few other bits n pieces, but no wheels.

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Re: Model wheel proportions

Postby ConducTTor » Sat Jan 16, 2010 5:54 pm

You mean on the German site? If so, I haven't time to research their content on this subject so I'm not sure.
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