Mark's Train Set

Re: Mark's Train Set

Postby railtwister » Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:32 am

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CSD wrote:... That is one of my secrets, but if you can guess...


No guesses? Toilet paper.


Well, I never would have guessed that one!!!

But I think the TP is only part of the answer, since it looks like it was applied over a substructure (wood, styrene, or...?), using an adhesive (but what kind)?

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Re: Mark's Train Set

Postby CSD » Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:48 pm

railtwister wrote:... it looks like it was applied over a substructure (wood, styrene, or...?), using an adhesive (but what kind)...


The underpass was built from styrene sheet. Tamiya Extra Thin Cement was use to glue it together. After I hit it with some undercoat from a spray bomb, to give it some tooth, single ply TP was "painted" on.
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Re: Mark's Train Set

Postby WillYart » Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:35 am

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You'll need some medium course green ground foam flocking and some yellow fine. I used Woodland Scenics medium green and Scenic Express aspen yellow respectively. Once the static grass has set, I take some of the green a sprinkle it on top and then work it in with my finger so it is between the blades, not just sitting on top. Sometimes I like to blow on it or poke it with a stick. Don't worry about the grass, once the glue dries it’s strong, like the bristles of a toothbrush. Then I do the same with the yellow. Spray or flow some matt medium on top to hold it. Remember you can always add more, taking away is harder.

There is another nice weed effect you can get. Before the static grass is applied, sprinkle some ground foam down first and then grass over top. This makes some nice textural variation and weedy undergrowth for untamed spaces.

Getting realistic variations in the static grasss is the real trick.


Thanks for offering the explanation! I've taken it down in my scenery notes. We have not done much with scenery yet but here's a photo of our first tree, made today (Attached).

We ripped the Lichen off a tree on a hike in the morning, somehow my 5-year old son found a twig in his toy chest, and voi la, we had our tree. The Lichen, completely natural and untreated, became dry very quickly. This is a material used 15 years ago for trees when I was a kid, not sure if it is still used or how to treat and color it properly.

I'd like to copy your technique for the underpass.

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Re: Mark's Train Set

Postby ConducTTor » Thu Mar 28, 2013 6:00 pm

When using natural stuff for scenery, you guys are spraying it with something to keep it from disintegrating correct?
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Re: Mark's Train Set

Postby AstroGoat760 » Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:24 pm

ConducTTor wrote:When using natural stuff for scenery, you guys are spraying it with something to keep it from disintegrating correct?


Generally, lichen is treated with a sealant to keep the lichen from deteriorating so quick. I know Woodland Scenics used to make a spray that was meant for Lichen. I haven't seen it in about 5 years though.
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Re: Mark's Train Set

Postby CSD » Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:22 am

WillYart wrote:... our first tree...


Hey, not bad. You've got the beginnings of what looks to be a well shaped embankment too.

WillYart wrote:... The Lichen, completely natural and untreated, became dry very quickly. This is a material used 15 years ago for trees when I was a kid, not sure if it is still used or how to treat and color it properly...


Even when sealed the material tends to be pretty brittle. Most modern techniques have moved away from using it. I'm using Super Trees coated with Woodland Scenics medium foam flock and then some Noch leaves. I think there is a picture of one a few pages back. It is a bit of an involved process as you have to boil the natural armatures and then weight and seal them to straiten the trunk. They make fine looking trees, though. I would recommend a look at the Scenic Express site (http://www.sceneryexpress.com/) to see what's out there for scenic materials. You might even find some ready made trees you like. In the end, use what is practical, available and suits your tastes.

WillYart wrote:... I'd like to copy your technique for the underpass...


Not hard at all. Make the basic shape out of card stock (careful it warps when wet), balsa wood or styrene. Glue it together. Using a hot glue gun makes card and balsa go together real fast. Also remember, no one sees the back side. Then, paint on toilet paper. I like to undercoat the basic shape before the toilet paper stage. For the balsa and card it will seal it and for the styrene it will give a little tooth for the paint to stick to. For the paper application rip out a piece of single ply and lay it over the surface you want to cover and gently paint it on. Cut off the excess paper after it dries. Use some thinned paint to wash on a coat of weathering. For paint I used Polly Scale "Concrete" and "Grimy Black". Do not use water to thin the paint! It has too much surface tension. I like the Tamiya thinner (the Polly Scale one is not so good). The cobbles are a sheet from Auhagen, painted in the same way as the rest, but utilizing a different grey.
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Re: Mark's Train Set

Postby WillYart » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:28 pm

Yes, hah, a very colorful embankment - the work of my 4 year old. He's very particular once he gets an idea in his head as to what he wants to do on the layout. This leads to some extended negotiations then I bite my lip and let him go at it.

Thanks a lot for the tree tips, duly placed in my notes for when we get serious about scenery.

Re. the paper, what precisely do you mean by, "gently paint it on"?
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Re: Mark's Train Set

Postby CSD » Sat Mar 30, 2013 10:24 am

WillYart wrote:... what precisely do you mean by, "gently paint it on"?


Just position the paper on the surface to which you would like to apply it and start painting it with appropriately coloured paint. As the paint saturates the paper it will adhere to the surface. It will wrinkle as you work and create the texture. When dry you can touch up any spots you missed or add another layer for a deeper effect.
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Re: Mark's Train Set

Postby WillYart » Sun Mar 31, 2013 4:46 pm

I see. :shock: Wow. We are going to have fun with this.
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Re: Mark's Train Set

Postby CSD » Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:16 pm

Made a decision the other day. I will not be installing overhead wire on this layout. Considering my location, type of operations and era, it has been making less and less sense. The section that was installed has been removed. I will reserve my electrics for the future RATT show layout.
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