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Postby jmass » Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:33 pm

what it might look like if we had european style locos on north american freight trains.
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Re: maintenance of way

Postby ConducTTor » Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:01 pm

I'm surprised there aren't any Blue Tigers in NA to be honest. Perhaps because there's no hood in front of the cab.
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Re: maintenance of way

Postby AstroGoat760 » Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:11 pm

ConducTTor wrote:I'm surprised there aren't any Blue Tigers in NA to be honest. Perhaps because there's no hood in front of the cab.


It's not so much as the fact that the design of the Blue Tiger is not to the same strength as most domestic locomotives, as European design calls for being light and efficient while relying on a well-run traffic safety network to avoid collisions, while US loco design calls for being strong and bulky, while designing trains to better survive crashes, with no thought placed on traffic safety (both road and rail).

There are a few designs that have no or little hood in front of the cab in the US, such as the AEM-7, the P40DC, and few others.
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Re: maintenance of way

Postby j p » Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:39 am

AngrySailor302 wrote:
ConducTTor wrote:I'm surprised there aren't any Blue Tigers in NA to be honest. Perhaps because there's no hood in front of the cab.


It's not so much as the fact that the design of the Blue Tiger is not to the same strength as most domestic locomotives, as European design calls for being light and efficient while relying on a well-run traffic safety network to avoid collisions, while US loco design calls for being strong and bulky, while designing trains to better survive crashes, with no thought placed on traffic safety (both road and rail).

There are a few designs that have no or little hood in front of the cab in the US, such as the AEM-7, the P40DC, and few others.


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Re: maintenance of way

Postby AstroGoat760 » Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:33 am

j p wrote:
AngrySailor302 wrote:
ConducTTor wrote:I'm surprised there aren't any Blue Tigers in NA to be honest. Perhaps because there's no hood in front of the cab.


It's not so much as the fact that the design of the Blue Tiger is not to the same strength as most domestic locomotives, as European design calls for being light and efficient while relying on a well-run traffic safety network to avoid collisions, while US loco design calls for being strong and bulky, while designing trains to better survive crashes, with no thought placed on traffic safety (both road and rail).

There are a few designs that have no or little hood in front of the cab in the US, such as the AEM-7, the P40DC, and few others.


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SP cab-forwards are unforgettable, however, are steam locomotives locomotives considered to have hoods?
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Re: maintenance of way

Postby TinGoat » Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:39 am

I get the impression that In the UK and Europe, railroading is done with smaller trains run more frequently.

Locomotives are not MU'ed as often and require a cab at each end for bi-directional running.

In the Americas, Locomotives are MU'ed back to back so that it functions as a bigger heavier unit with cabs at each end.

Fewer / Longer trains run less frequently over longer distances.

As for being crashworthy...

UK and European trains are smashing into FIATS and Minis, so it is like swatting flies. :grin:

In America, there are more SUV's and Buicks which make a louder crunch when you hit them. :grin:

A relatively light locomotive like the Blue Tiger would be built with only one cab for the American market. A regular Spartan Cab, rather that a Wide/Safety Cab.
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Re: maintenance of way

Postby CaTTwoman281 » Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:26 pm

TinGoat wrote:UK and European trains are smashing into FIATS and Minis, so it is like swatting flies. :grin:

In America, there are more SUV's and Buicks which make a louder crunch when you hit them. :grin:

So true. Even for cars and trucks in the US, the theory is to make the vehicle into a tank on wheels as they assume that the driver will hit things...
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Re: maintenance of way

Postby LVG1 » Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:38 am

AngrySailor302 wrote:
ConducTTor wrote:I'm surprised there aren't any Blue Tigers in NA to be honest. Perhaps because there's no hood in front of the cab.


It's not so much as the fact that the design of the Blue Tiger is not to the same strength as most domestic locomotives, as European design calls for being light and efficient while relying on a well-run traffic safety network to avoid collisions, ...


"Blue Tiger" (correctly: ADtranz/GE DE-AC33C) has mainly been constructed for export markets—Asia for instance. Few units for Germany were only made on the side. So the point of the "well-run traffic safety network" doesn't work.

TinGoat wrote:As for being crashworthy...

UK and European trains are smashing into FIATS and Minis, so it is like swatting flies. :grin:

In America, there are more SUV's and Buicks which make a louder crunch when you hit them. :grin:


Also European locomotives survive crashes with heavy road vehicles. SUV's an heavy trucks also exist in Europe...
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Re: maintenance of way

Postby Marquette » Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:29 pm

LVG1 wrote:
TinGoat wrote:As for being crashworthy...

UK and European trains are smashing into FIATS and Minis, so it is like swatting flies. :grin:

In America, there are more SUV's and Buicks which make a louder crunch when you hit them. :grin:


Also European locomotives survive crashes with heavy road vehicles. SUV's an heavy trucks also exist in Europe...


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Re: maintenance of way

Postby TinGoat » Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:40 pm

Marquette wrote:And jokes don't survive text... :P


:lol: :lol: :lol:

This topic has got me thinking...

With Automation and Radio/Remote Control, I wonder if they are going to start building more B-Units.

You don't need cabs on Mid-Train locomotives when you are running with "Distributed-Power".

With cameras and GPS you could put all the crew in an un-powered control cabin in the middle of the train...
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