Intro to US freight car fleets, or: what should be modelled?

Re: Intro to US freight car fleets, or: what should be model

Postby Arseny » Sun Mar 20, 2011 9:44 am

it wouldn't be a big surprise to see a Spokane International gondola in Moscow...


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Re: Intro to US freight car fleets, or: what should be model

Postby Marquette » Sun Mar 20, 2011 10:15 am

:D

There really is a town called Moscow, Idaho - I've been there. It's a nice little place, though not too much there...

EDIT: I'm kinda curious... in Russian, would you call that town Москва (Moskva) or Москоу (Moskou)? :P
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Re: Intro to US freight car fleets, or: what should be model

Postby Arseny » Sun Mar 20, 2011 3:57 pm

Yes, I know. There is also Saint-Petersburg in USA, too.

I am sure in Russian we must call this town Москва (Moskva), like the Russian capital...
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Re: Intro to US freight car fleets, or: what should be model

Postby scaro » Sun Mar 20, 2011 4:55 pm

my first trip to the US was to tampa. it was november 2001, so airfares were cheap from london, and i was curious. i stayed in st petersburg, assuming that there would be some sort of bustling public transport network linking it to tampa. i quickly found i was wrong.

there was a railroad line running through st petersburg but not a particularly active one. i walked a lot of the line because i was frankly a bit bored some of the time. i don't like tourist resorts much and most of what was on offer seemed to be for older folk and families. i wasn't bothered by any trains as such along the line, but it was quite a pretty route. i think CSX owned it. some security types eventually took exception to this funny-looking english-sounding foreigner with a shaved head ... 'he speaks english, but he claims to be austrian.' 'that's the one with the kangaroos, right, sarge?' ... ambling down the right of way, and i got told off, as i recall. i mistakenly stayed in a dodgy inner city area of st pete and there was a bit more gunfire than i was used to. however, none of the locals seemed to mind me much, perhaps considering me a novelty. i was not up to hiring a car -my coordination isn't great and driving on the 'wrong' side of the road was a bit too much of a challenge ... but hitching lifts from a guy who took a liking to me and who turned out to be a crack dealer turned out to be an interesting way of meeting the criminal and nightclubbing underworld of the city for a few days. :shock:

there was a seaboard station but by the time i saw it, it had been turned into a mall.

later on i looked a little into the history of that line and i believe it used a st louis car doodlebug, a bit like the one the G&F owned, but powered by EMD, on the run into st pete. apparently it ran up till the eve of amtrak.
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Re: Intro to US freight car fleets, or: what should be model

Postby Arseny » Sun Mar 20, 2011 5:04 pm

To say more about gondolas and Moscow - REALLY it wouldn't be a big surprise to see an American gondola in Moscow, in 1920s or 1930s.
There were a lot of steel gondolas from USA, imported as "military aid" in 1915-1917.
Some of them were used to build armored trains during the Civil War in Russia.
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Re: Intro to US freight car fleets, or: what should be model

Postby ConducTTor » Sun Mar 20, 2011 6:02 pm

scaro wrote: i mistakenly stayed in a dodgy inner city area of st pete and there was a bit more gunfire than i was used to. however, none of the locals seemed to mind me much, perhaps considering me a novelty. i was not up to hiring a car -my coordination isn't great and driving on the 'wrong' side of the road was a bit too much of a challenge ... but hitching lifts from a guy who took a liking to me and who turned out to be a crack dealer turned out to be an interesting way of meeting the criminal and nightclubbing underworld of the city for a few days. :shock:


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Re: Intro to US freight car fleets, or: what should be model

Postby Marquette » Sat Jul 16, 2011 11:43 am

As promised before, here's the same thing as I did for 1953 and 1970, but the following is with data from 1942.

Of a 100 car fleet - 10 Home Road cars.

5-10 Canadian cars - the 1942 numbers were as such:

CN - Canadian National 53844
CP - Canadian Pacific 53723
THB - Toronto, Hamilton & Buffalo 698
CASO - Canada Southern 299
TEM - Temiskaming & Northern Ontario 219
AC - Algoma Central 132
RS - Roberval-Saguenay 99
QC - Quebec Central 95
QLP - Quebec Railway, Light & Power 37
S&L, CD&C - Sydney & Louisburg 25

So, really, if you have an even number of Canadian cars, split it evenly between CN and CP; if you have an odd number, split evenly between CN and CP and use the one leftover car from one of the other roads.

Then, as before, this leaves 75-80 cars from US foreign roads. I would do the split here as follows, though I included the percentage of the national boxcar fleet (754606 boxcars in 1942) so you can do it yourself if you want to arrange it a bit differently:

10 cars:
PRR - Pennsylvania 78217 - 10.4%

6 cars:
NYC - New York Central 48873 - 6.5%

4 cars each:
ATSF - Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe 35602 - 4.7%
CMStP&P - Milwaukee Road 32463 - 4.3%
B&O - Baltimore & Ohio 32213 - 4.3%
SOU - Southern 29841 - 4.0%

3 cars each:
GN - Great Northern 24235 - 3.2%
NP - Northern Pacific 23661 - 3.1%
CB&Q - Chicago, Burlington & Quincy 23445 - 3.1%
CNW - Chicago & North Western 23283 - 3.1%
SP - Southern Pacific 23005 - 3.0%

2 cars each (18 total)
RI - Chicago, Rock Island & Pacific 20637 - 2.7%
IC - Illinois Central 20288 - 2.7%
UP - Union Pacific 19422 - 2.6%
MP - Missouri Pacific 16500 - 2.2%
L&N - Louisville & Nashville 14806 - 2.0%
SLSF - St Louis-San Francisco 14485 - 1.9%
C&O - Chesapeake & Ohio 12726 - 1.7%
ERIE - Erie 11729 - 1.6%
WAB - Wabash 11502 - 1.5%

1 car each (10 total)
SOO - Soo Line 10621 - 1.4%
PM - Pere Marquette 10460 - 1.4%
GTW - Grand Trunk Western 8819 - 1.2%
N&W - Norfolk & Western 8438 - 1.1%
CGW - Chicago Great Western 8428 - 1.1%
NH - New Haven 8385 - 1.1%
RDG - Reading 8172 - 1.1%
ACL - Atlantic Coast Line 7915 - 1.0%
NKP - Nickel Plate Road 7654 - 1.0%
SAL - Seaboard Air Line 7574 - 1.0%

That makes 75 cars. So from the group of roads whose boxcar fleet made up less than 1% of the national fleet, you'd need one each of 0-5 of any road of your choice of:

DL&W - Delaware, Lackawanna & Western 7344
MC - Michigan Central 6034
T&NO - Texas & New Orleans (Southern Pacific) 6552
D&RGW - Denver & Rio Grande Western 5081
MEC - Maine Central 5009
LV - Lehigh Valley 4793
MKT - Missouri-Kansas-Texas 4445
T&P - Texas & Pacific 4388
OSL - Union Pacific (Oregon Short Line) 4342
P&LE - Pittsburgh & Lake Erie 4138
CCC&StL - Cleveland, Cincinnati, Chicago & St Louis 3817
NC&StL - Nashville, Chattanooga & St Louis 3648
GM&O, GM&N, M&O - Gulf, Mobile & Ohio 3405
SSW - St Louis Southwestern ("Cotton Belt") 3383
OWR&N - Union Pacific (Oregon Waterway, Railway & Navigation) 3175
CMO - Chicago, St Paul, Minneapolis & Omaha 3096
CNJ - Central of New Jersey 3084
WLE - Wheeling & Lake Erie 2871
D&H - Delaware & Hudson 2522
M&StL - Minneapolis & St Louis 2438
BAR - Bangor & Aroostook 2425
WP - Western Pacific 2344
DT&I - Detroit, Toledo & Ironton 2225
B&A - Boston & Albany 2217
WM - Western Maryland 2206
I-GN - International - Great Northern 2097
C&A - Chicago & Alton 2082
KCS - Kansas City Southern 1924
CG - Central of Georgia 1642
L&A - Louisiana & Arkansas 1245
EJ&E - Elgin, Joliet & Eastern 1239
CV - Central Vermont 1233
C&EI - Chicago & Eastern Illinois 1227
B&LE - Bessemer & Lake Erie 998
StLB&M - St Louis, Brownsville & Mexico 965
FW&D - Fort Worth & Denver 952
NOT&M - New Orleans, Texas & Mexico 951
LNE - Lehigh & New England 949
R - Rutland 922
PMcK&Y - Pittsburgh, McKeesport & Youghiogheny 876
AA - Ann Arbor 851
C&S - Colorado & Southern 782
NS - Norfolk Southern 774
CIL - Chicago, Indianapolis & Louisville 770
PE - Pacific Electric 764
ITC - Illinois Terminal 657
GA - Georgia RR 606
CRR, CC&O - Clinchfield 589
P&E - Peoria & Eastern 584
C&WC - Charleston & Western Carolina 492
RF&P - Richmond, Fredericksburg & Potomac 489
PH&D - Port Huron & Detroit 453
ACY - Akron, Canton & Youngstown 419
NJI&I - New Jersey, Indiana & Illinois 389
D&SL - Denver & Salt Lake 362
DMIR, D&IR, DM&N - Duluth, Missabe & Iron Range 344
GBW - Green Bay & Western 338
C&IM - Chicago & Illinois Midland 325
WofA - Western of Alabama 316
G&F - Georgia & Florida 310
C&G - Columbus & Greenville 301
SP&S - Spokane, Portland & Seattle 296
DSS&A - Duluth, South Shore & Atlantic 290
TC - Tennessee Central 278
BS - Birmingham Southern 275
LA&SL - Union Pacific (Los Angeles & Salt Lake) 266
M-I - Missouri-Illinois 250
NWP - Northwestern Pacific 223
N&B - Northampton & Bath 217
S&A - Savannah & Atlanta 196
D&M - Detroit & Mackinac 195
AB&C - Atlanta, Birmingham & Coast 191
IN - Illinois Northern 191
VGN - Virginian 175
A&WP - Atlanta & West Point 171
PS&N - Pittsburgh, Shawmut & Northern 150
CRI - Chicago River & Indiana 140
FEC - Florida East Coast 129
MWR - Muncie & Western 100
LS&I - Lake Superior & Ishpeming 99
WF&S - Wichita Falls & Southern 98
MKTT - Missouri-Kansas-Texas of Texas 95
MA - Missouri & Arkansas 94
NYS&W - New York, Susquehanna & Western 68
HCRR - Hannibal Connecting 65
NYO&W - New York, Ontario & Western 57
WTRR - Wyandotte Terminal 54
SN - Sacramento Northern 52
CN&L - Columbia, Newberry & Laurens 51
KGB - Kewaunee, Green Bay & Western 50
MRS - Manufacturers Ry 50
DWP - Duluth, Winnipeg & Pacific 49
CTN - Canton RR 40
NOR - Cincinnati Northern 39
CR - Copper Range 38
A&EC - Atlantic & East Carolina 35
BRC - Belt Ry of Chicago 33
MSC - Mississippi Central 32
A&W - Ahnapee & Western 30
TP&W - Toledo, Peoria & Western 28
HPT&D - High Point, Thomasville & Denton 25
WSS - Winston-Salem Southbound 23
PEP - Portland Electric Power Co. 22
SI - Spokane International 22
FtDDM&S - Fort Dodge, Des Moines & Southern 21
CA&S - Chicago, Attica & Southern 20
WRT - Warrior River Terminal 20
AT&N - Alabama, Tennessee & Northern 19
ESLJ - East St Louis Junction 18
DCI - Des Moines & Central Iowa 17
URR - Union RR 17
CCT - Central California Traction 15
AN - Apalachicola Northern 14
LHR - Lehigh & Hudson River 14
L&NW - Louisiana & North West 14
SL&U - Salt Lake & Utah 13
B-RI - Burlington-Rock Island 12
SD&AE, SD&A - San Diego & Arizona Eastern 12
B - Bamberger RR 11
MN&S - Minneapolis, Northfield & Southern 10
WCF&N - Waterloo, Cedar Falls & Northern 10
PC - Pacific Coast 9
KO&G - Kansas, Oklahoma & Gulf 8
P&S - Pittsburgh & Shawmut 8
PMP - Paris & Mount Pleasant 8
StJ&GI - Union Pacific (St Joseph & Grand Island) 8
V&S - Valley & Siletz 8
NN - Nevada Northern 6
E&LS - Escanaba & Lake Superior 5
LP&N - Longview, Portland & Northern 5
TER - Texas Electric 5
UIC - Utah Idago Central 5
WIM - Washington, Idaho & Montana 5
C&W - Colorado & Wyoming 4
FP&E - Fairport, Painesville & Eastern 4
StL&H - St Louis & Hannibal 4
TM - Texas Mexican 4
CNS&M - Chicago, North Shore & Milwaukee 3
FC&G - Fernwood, Columbia & Gulf 3
LOP&G - Live Oak, Perry & Gulf 3
T&G - Tremont & Gulf 3
LS&BC - LaSalle & Bureau County 2
LIRR - Long Island RR 2
M&B - Meridian & Bigbee 2
MD&W - Minnesota, Dakota & Western 2
NO&LC - New Orleans & Lower Coast 2
PLW - Pittsburgh, Lisbon & Western 2
PLM - Pullman RR 2
SRy - Sierra RR 2
TCG - Tucson, Cornelia & Gila Bend 2
AD&N - Ashley, Drew & Northern 1
MVRR - Midland Valley 1
OE - Oregon Electric 1
SGA - South Georgia Ry. 1
SC&P - Spokane, Coeur d'Alene & Palouse 1
SLOF - St Louis & O'Fallon 1

As for the other years, you could maybe replace one (or maybe two) of the above with a car of the following Mexican roads:

NdeM - Nacionales de Mexico 5180
FCM - Ferrocarril Mexicano 615
NOdeM - Nor-Oeste de Mexico 436
SPdeM - Sur Pacifico de Mexico (Southern Pacific of Mexico) 433
FCKCMyO - Ferrocarril Kansas City, Mexico y Oriente 214
MdelP - Mexicano del Pacifico 2

As you can see, even between 1942 and 1953 there were some noticeable differences in the makeup of the US boxcar fleet; in 1942, Pennsy was THE dominant roadname. During the war, however, most roads expanded their fleets, shifting the distribution. Also, there were some mergers that took place in the intervening years, and a few roads were simply abandoned.

But the above should get you a fairly reasonable boxcar fleet if your layout is set sometime between the late 1930s and the beginning of WW2 (from the US perspective - 1942).
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