HP Products 2-8-8-2

Re: HP Products 2-8-8-2

Postby krokodil » Tue Apr 29, 2014 12:46 pm

I have a big European version in TT:

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All wheels a driven, I am just thinking about a reconstruction to fit a smaller motor into the boiler ( in the time when I built this there were no smaller motors).
Maybe when our new layout starts to be operational I will spend some time on upgrade. :grin:
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Re: HP Products 2-8-8-2

Postby milwrd1 » Tue Apr 29, 2014 6:35 pm

HP 2-8-8-2....kit, wonderful to find one in what looks like "new" condition. What size are the drivers??
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Re: HP Products 2-8-8-2

Postby milwrd1 » Fri Jun 20, 2014 6:50 pm

I copied this from the HP catalog 1948 thread dated 6/19/14, since this information would be more relevant here.

milwrd1 wrote:
This does mean the 2-8-8-2 came first came with small drivers and a later run produced a kit with larger drivers? Very interesting.

alreibel wrote:
That I can't say for sure- From what I've been able to gather, the first 2-8-8-2's were built with a pair of Consolidation frames that were modified to couple together, so I just assumed they used a stock HP 2-8-0 frame to start? I'm not sure when the Mikado's with the medium drivers were released, the '48 catalog shows a Mikado built from a Consol and all the other locos listed have small drivers. It announces a 4-8-2 Mountain (along with the Pacific) for 1949, so it seems that if a 2-8-8-2 was offered early it would have been a small drivered version? I should have asked Larry and Garn Smith a bunch more questions!

The rest of the story I have, the 2-8-8-2 wasn't very successful due to it's long wheelbase, so it was dropped. The later 4-6-6-4 was offered with the medium drivers on cut down Mikado/ Mountain frames. The question I've had is if they used all the same parts (except the frames), such as the boiler, the front deck, etc.. And if either loco was available as a RTR locomotive, the info I have from Larry is basically a Mikado instruction sheet with some added notes to help build the articulated up.

milwrd1 wrote:
This answers some questions I've had for several years. The 2-8-8-2 that I have has the medium sized 67" drivers (0.558") and I always wondered if it was an error, or some extensive kit bashing by the previous owner. All of the parts, however, certainly had the "assembled by HP" look. The unit I have makes sense if HP changed to the larger, medium sized drivers on later production runs.
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Re: HP Products 2-8-8-2

Postby areibel » Fri Jun 20, 2014 7:06 pm

Sounds cool! I'd like to see a couple pics if you can post them.
Garn Smith told me there was someone building "Big Boys" out of High Wheeled Northerns, sometime back in the late 50's or early 60's. I can't remember the name, but he also build HO and American OO scale locos up- cut his own frames if necessary, scratchbuilt cabs and detailed up to the 9's. He knew someone that owned one, but never got pics to send to me. Another missed opportunity!
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Re: HP Products 2-8-8-2

Postby milwrd1 » Thu Jul 17, 2014 6:31 pm

Here you go. Two photos of the HP 2-8-8-2 with the 67 inch (0.558") medium sized Box Pok drivers. In the second photo, the long boiler is just sitting on the chassis.

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Re: HP Products 2-8-8-2

Postby areibel » Thu Jul 17, 2014 8:28 pm

Cool! That's one odd bird, Thanks for the pictures. I've never seen an eight drivered one with the larger drivers. It almost looks like the boiler needs to sit back some, does it have a big "front porch" like the 4-6-6-4?
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Re: HP Products 2-8-8-2

Postby milwrd1 » Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:33 pm

The boiler may need to be moved back some.....I just set it on top of the drivers for the photo.

Don't know for sure about the "front porch". I believe it will be simliar to the 4-6-6-4, the only reference I really have to go by is the one picture of the 2-8-8-2 in the newsprint style HP catalog dated December, 1949. I've never put actual eyes on another HP 2-8-8-2 :!: (large or small drivers). I've personally seen several of the 4-6-6-4's however, and every once in awhile a photo and auction for one appears on ebay.
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Re: HP Products 2-8-8-2

Postby MacG » Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:14 pm

Seen at Mikes (Lok-n-Roll) workbench.

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Re: HP Products 2-8-8-2

Postby ConducTTor » Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:52 pm

Wow that's a beast LOL.
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Re: HP Products 2-8-8-2

Postby Richard-B » Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:06 am

j p wrote:And here is the kit:
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I'm not a big HP fan...
but that is a very nice-looking kit, with the later spoked drivers.

Just consider: $54.50 in 1960... would be equivalent to $438.84 in 2014!!!
http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm

No wonder these are a bit "rare"...
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