G31 gon and clones (a thread for Rob M's gon project)

Re: G31 gon and clones (a thread for Rob M's gon project)

Postby Arseny » Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:37 pm

scaro wrote:if peresvet ever do the two-spring one on the left, i'd certainly be interested!


The left is MT-50. If I am not mistaken, it is the same truck as I showed on the photo of the green boxcar.
The flatcar with the same trucks:

4601big.jpg


Look at the prototype:

IMG_3459.jpg


scaro wrote:are there other russian TT manufacturers who do trucks?


I do not know exactly, but I suppose no. Peresvet produces several types of trucks, that's enough.
However TT-model produces their own trucks, but they are German ones, it is not correct to use them on Russian coaches (although they do it)
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Re: G31 gon and clones (a thread for Rob M's gon project)

Postby sacto-tt » Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:52 am

Arseny wrote:Do these Russian trucks correspond to any American prototype?
If yes, we could use Peresvet trucks for American stuff, not only Gold Coast ones...


Tahoe Model Works makes a truck that looks similar to the Russian one except for the excessive boxiness right over the journals. Model # TMW-108/208

Here is a web page, just scroll down to the appropriate truck.
http://www.mrrwarehouse.com/CCS%20TAHOE.htm

Also, There is a Bettendorf truck that has one leaf and one coil spring. The leaf spring was supposed to provide a smoother, more stable ride at higher speeds. Usage 1940s-70s. Tichy makes one in HO (Part # 293-3050). The PRR called these trucks 2D-F12 50 Ton trucks.
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Re: G31 gon and clones (a thread for Rob M's gon project)

Postby Marquette » Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:22 am

sacto-tt wrote:
Arseny wrote:Do these Russian trucks correspond to any American prototype?
If yes, we could use Peresvet trucks for American stuff, not only Gold Coast ones...


Tahoe Model Works makes a truck that looks similar to the Russian one except for the excessive boxiness right over the journals. Model # TMW-108/208

Here is a web page, just scroll down to the appropriate truck.
http://www.mrrwarehouse.com/CCS%20TAHOE.htm


I still think the Russian truck looks closer to a Vulcan than to that - see the 'ears' that hang out to either side of the journal boxes? That's the distinctive feature of the Vulcan, too. If one really wants, one could do a bit of filing to give more of a curve to the sideframe to better match the Vulcan, but the important distinctive feature is already present.
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Re: G31 gon and clones (a thread for Rob M's gon project)

Postby Arseny » Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:55 am

But notice the leaf spring in the middle.
Maybe it is "coil-elliptcic" truck?

tmw-208.jpg


But looking at your photos of G31 gonnolas I think the right one Peresvet's truck (18-100 type, TSNII-H3-O) is better. Am I wrong?
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Re: G31 gon and clones (a thread for Rob M's gon project)

Postby Marquette » Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:14 am

I guess you could remove the "ears" for a coil elliptic, and remove the leaf spring for a Vulcan... :P
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Re: G31 gon and clones (a thread for Rob M's gon project)

Postby scaro » Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:04 pm

Arseny wrote:
scaro wrote:if peresvet ever do the two-spring one on the left, i'd certainly be interested!


The left is MT-50. If I am not mistaken, it is the same truck as I showed on the photo of the green boxcar.
The flatcar with the same trucks:

4601big.jpg


Look at the prototype:

IMG_3459.jpg



oh, sorry, i missed the elliptical spring on the plan. i thought it was a straight two-coil spring truck as used in australia and other countries.
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Re: G31 gon and clones (a thread for Rob M's gon project)

Postby Arseny » Thu Oct 11, 2012 1:36 pm

Can anybody help me with Western Pacific and/or Sacramento Northern lettering schemas?
I started to assemble my gondola only now (yes, I am a slowpoke :grin: ) and I need some leterring schema with yellow letters for my decals, not white.

I've found some photos of the H0 scale WP gondolas but can not discern some letters...
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Re: G31 gon and clones (a thread for Rob M's gon project)

Postby scaro » Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:37 am

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/wp/wp.html

look at the GB and GS shots.

i'm no expert but a bit of a WP fan, i think this is probably typical: http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/wp/wp09214rsa.jpg

here also: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/rslist ... d=WP&cid=6

some history of WP gondolas here, including their 29' mill gondolas which would make an interesting and space saving prototype.

http://people.virginia.edu/~ggg9y/gon.html
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Re: G31 gon and clones (a thread for Rob M's gon project)

Postby Richard-B » Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:32 am

Arseny wrote:Can anybody help me with Western Pacific and/or Sacramento Northern lettering schemas? .


You mean these?

WP-SN G-31_clones.jpg
WP / SN - G-31 clones


Note: Ask any TT modeler who lives within 4km of the old WP line!!! :idea:
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Re: G31 gon and clones (a thread for Rob M's gon project)

Postby Arseny » Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:27 am

Richard-B wrote:
Arseny wrote:Can anybody help me with Western Pacific and/or Sacramento Northern lettering schemas? .


You mean these?

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Note: Ask any TT modeler who lives within 4km of the old WP line!!! :idea:


Yes, I mean the second one! Can you make it a bit bigger, maybe twice or better four times bigger?
I can't see the small letters...

This WP schema is nice, but I can not print white letters, only yellow or any other color.
So, I mean something like this one:

ACFGonR4-WP-1200-logo.jpg
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