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First Russian diesel locomotive

Postby Arseny » Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:30 pm

The first Russian diesel, and one of the first diesels for the main line in the world; Щэл1 (Schel1), built in 1924 by Russian engineer, prof. Ya.M.Gakkel



(This locomotive survives; it is kept by the railroad museum on the Warsaw railway station in Saint-Petersburg)

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A9%D1%8D%D0%BB1
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Re: First Russian diesel locomotive

Postby ConducTTor » Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:28 pm

Man, you guys have been building MASSIVE locomotives from the beginning. Cheers!
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Re: First Russian diesel locomotive

Postby LVG1 » Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:46 am

Arseny wrote:Щэл1 (Schel1)


Shouldn't it rather be transscribed "ShchEL1" or "ShtchEL1"? :thinking:
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Re: First Russian diesel locomotive

Postby Arseny » Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:19 am

I am not sure, how to transcribe russian hushing sounds... :)
But in any case there is no any "t" inside... :)
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Re: First Russian diesel locomotive

Postby Marquette » Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:45 am

LVG1 wrote:
Arseny wrote:Щэл1 (Schel1)


Shouldn't it rather be transscribed "ShchEL1" or "ShtchEL1"? :thinking:


Depends.

Per UN scheme and standard scientific transcription, it's "šč".
Per GOST 7.79-2000 it's "shh".
Per ISO 9, it's "ŝ".
Per the US Library of Congress system, British Standard 2979:1958, and the scheme used for Russian passports, it's "shch".

"Sch" is not officially used anywhere, though it is commonly used nevertheless.

If you're transcribing Bulgarian, it's very simple: it's always "sht" or "št". :D
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Re: First Russian diesel locomotive

Postby LVG1 » Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:03 pm

Arseny wrote:But in any case there is no any "t" inside... :)


Sure?
The official German transscribtion is "Schtsch". :wink:
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Re: First Russian diesel locomotive

Postby TTTerrific » Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:24 pm

Arseny,

Keep this stuff coming! I am SOOOO... impressed with early Soviet railroad engineering. I'm really glad that this big diesel survivies. Was it successful in regular service? Also, did you see the companion video (YouTube) that showed up on my computer of the "8000" hybrid steam-diesel 2-4-4-2 (1-2-2-1)? Wow, what a loco that must have been. Do you have any information on this loco? :wave:
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Re: First Russian diesel locomotive

Postby Arseny » Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:45 am

TTTerrific wrote:Arseny,

Keep this stuff coming! I am SOOOO... impressed with early Soviet railroad engineering. I'm really glad that this big diesel survivies. Was it successful in regular service?


No, it was not too successful. It was in service in 1925-1927, but it needed repairs too often, so it was retired in Dec 1927, and later it was used as mobile power station.

It used 10-cyl 1000 hp diesel from the submarine but it had too low efficiency factor...

TTTerrific wrote:Also, did you see the companion video (YouTube) that showed up on my computer of the "8000" hybrid steam-diesel 2-4-4-2 (1-2-2-1)? Wow, what a loco that must have been. Do you have any information on this loco? :wave:


I do not know a lot about it, but I've found some...

It is not articulated, so it is 1-4-1 (2-8-2 in American notation). It was based on the IS-serie steam locomotive and was built in June 1939. It used the same cylinder(s) for steam and for diesel engine. (In fact, each cylinder was divided into 3 sections, and the middle section could work both as steam and as diesel one; 1st and 3rd sections were steam-only).
It had max.speed 130 km/h but in fact speed was limited to 70 km/h because it was too heavy.
It was tested in 1939-1940, later, in 1940, it was modified.
It was experimental locomotive.

It was retired in 1948.
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Re: First Russian diesel locomotive

Postby railtwister » Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:55 am

Hi Arseny,

Unless my math is off, the displacement on that engine was over 60,000 cubic inches, or about 6000 cubic inches per cylinder. Pretty big, considering the six cylinder engine in an Alco RS-1 was 1,595 cu in (26.14 l) per cylinder, or 9,572 cu in (156.86 l) total, and it put out the same 1000 horsepower. The fuel consumption on the Russian loco must have been incredibly high! Probably they retired it primarily because it was unaffordable, even at the low fuel prices of the day.

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Re: First Russian diesel locomotive

Postby LVG1 » Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:16 am

In the same year like ЩЭЛ-1 (ShchEL-1) another diesel locomotive was delivered—ЭЭЛ-2 (EEL-2).
It was delivered by Hohenzollern in Esslingen (Germany).

The initial designation of ЩЭЛ-1 (ShchEL-1) was ЮЭ-002 (YuE-002), whils the initial designation of ЭЭЛ-2 (EEL-2) was ЮЭ-001 (YuE-001). So I wonder which one of them was the really first diesel locomotive for the Soviet Union.

Can you bring clarity into this question, Arseny?
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