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ex BR52

Postby Whity » Sat Jun 25, 2011 6:53 pm

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Re: ex BR52

Postby ConducTTor » Sun Jun 26, 2011 1:31 am

Is that the same tender in both side pics? I didn't realize the sides are different.
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Re: ex BR52

Postby LVG1 » Tue Aug 14, 2012 6:07 am

The locomotives of this type with order numbers higher than 8000 were made in Soviet Union after the war. They never had DR numbers and so have never been BR 52.
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Re: ex BR52

Postby Arseny » Tue Aug 14, 2012 7:18 am

LVG1 wrote:The locomotives of this type with order numbers higher than 8000 were made in Soviet Union after the war. They never had DR numbers and so have never been BR 52.


Not exactly.
36 locomotives (starting from 8001 number) were assembled in Soviet Union using parts and details of damaged or destroyed locomotives. So, "in previos life" they were BR 52...

P.S. BTW, approx. 200 locomotives survived in Russia and former-USSR countries; 15 of them - in a working condition; also some are "conserved", "laid up"
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Re: ex BR52

Postby Marquette » Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:09 am

BR52-Zombies. :D
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Re: ex BR52

Postby AstroGoat760 » Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:03 am

Marquette wrote:BR52-Zombies. :D

You HAD to say the magic word.

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Re: ex BR52

Postby Christtking » Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:03 am

Most likely were confiscated by the communists (soviets) and stripped completely and forced the german prisoneers of war to modify them and re-assemble them into the wide gauge russian railways use. By the way very nice model. It is modified of produced by Tillig?
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Re: ex BR52

Postby Arseny » Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:31 am

Christtking wrote:Most likely were confiscated by the communists (soviets) and stripped completely and forced the german prisoneers of war to modify them and re-assemble them into the wide gauge russian railways use.


Christtking, I am afraid the reasons were more prosaic...
If we are talking about locomotives and some other industrial equipment, it was not necessary to confiscate them by some illegal way.
After World War II, according to the Potsdam conference held between July 17 and August 2, 1945, Germany was to pay the Allies US$23 billion mainly in machinery and manufacturing plants. Reparations to the Soviet Union stopped in 1953.
Russia (Soviet Union) had the legal right to get the reparations from Germany. Not only Soviet Union - for example, France or UK too.
And we got them - more than 2000 BR52s.

But as concerns these 36 locomotives (starting from 8001 number) - they were heavily damaged or destroyed. Imagine: you are in war. Long, heavy, cruel and bloody war. And you are fighting for some city, attacking it. Probably Russian city occupied by Germans. They do not want to retreat, they are resisting hard!
I am afraid that most of the railroad equipment will be destroyed when you capture the city finally.

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But Soviet Union needed a lot of locomotives.
So, in the late 1940s, after the war, 36 "BR52"s were assembled on the Ivanovo-Frankovsk locomotive-repair plant (West Ukraine), using the parts and details of the destroyed locomotives. This plant is still "in business", if you know Russian you can read some about it here:
http://gwici.biz/index.php?option=com_c ... 5-12-52-15
It was founded in 1866.
I do not know, if the plant used the labor of war prisoneers. Maybe yes, but maybe no.

They were not only re-gauged. Russian ТЭ locomotive differs from German BR52, see below.

Christtking wrote:By the way very nice model. It is modified of produced by Tillig?


No, Tillig did not produce "Russian" version of BR52.
MMS did it, but model was not too accurate:
http://www.12mm.ru/viewcard.php?id=62!6 ... 5!30!35!2f

A lot of Russian modellers used Tillig's BR52 to build more accurate model of ТЭ locomotive:

http://www.12mm.ru/viewcard.php?id=62!6 ... 1!36!32!2f
http://www.12mm.ru/viewcard.php?id=62!6 ... 3!32!32!2f
http://www.12mm.ru/viewcard.php?id=62!6 ... 6!32!32!2f
http://www.12mm.ru/viewcard.php?id=62!6 ... d!74!65!2f

If you want to build correct model of Russian ТЭ locomotive, you should:
- add washout plugs
- add turbogenerator (Russian-style) and steam pump
- replace front side of the smoke box, with another hatch
- remove the buffers, add Russian auto-coupler (SA-3)
- add headlight
- add the box for fire accessories

BTW the real ТЭ-8026 survived (in Brest railroad museum, in Belarus), but it was ...green! :)
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Re: ex BR52

Postby LVG1 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:39 pm

I think, you have forgotten the differences on the cabin's roof. Soviet style of the light openings on the roof were also different from German style.

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Does anybody know what the German word "Oberlicht" means in English?
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Re: ex BR52

Postby Christtking » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:49 pm

Overlight or top light (head light) normaly placed in the centre. Let's see if I'm wrong about this one.
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