Decals

Re: Decals

Postby scaro » Sun Sep 14, 2014 8:18 am

I hope so Richard, though I am dubious about it because it's not a matter of just heralds. For example , there are a number of cases where the full name of the RR is spelt out on the boxcar, eg, Soo Line or CNW, and you'd still have to come up with something for those or laboriously decal one letter at a time which sounds a recipe for wasting time and getting a horribly uneven result to me.

Some RRs, like the Rock Island, could never make up their mind on one size of lettering or one scheme, and so for those RRs Microscale offers a selection of sizes which is handy.

OTOH there are RRs like the Missouri Pacific or the Seaboard Coast Line, who were much more uniform in lettering sizes and so for those ... you're sunk, it's custom decals or nothing.

Given it is such a nice model, I wish the manufacturer of the Fowler boxcar had considered lettering it in a few more prototypical schemes, CNW, CMO, M&StL, Rock Island, Illinois Central, or even offering decals. A lot of work went into making a superior molding for this car, so why bypass the real paint schemes and give preference to a paint scheme like ATSF or CN, which instantly renders it a model of nothing?
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Re: Decals

Postby scaro » Sun Sep 14, 2014 8:38 am

Another RR to check out as regards Microscale is the Denver & Rio Grande Western. They stuck with the 'action lettering' for about half a century, and given 3' gauge cars bear about the same relation to standard gauge ones as TT does to HO, unsurprisingly there is lettering in a lot of sizes that could be of use for a TT model.
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Re: Decals

Postby gerhard_k » Mon Sep 15, 2014 2:00 pm

ConducTTor wrote:
ctxmf74 wrote:generic freight car data sheets to TT size


Oh! That would be handy.

(just reading through this thread again)

Highball Decals offers several kinds of data-only sets in HO, in white, black and yellow - http://www.mgdecals.com/Data%20Sets.htm -
The 40-foot early boxcar (Roman) set has several sizes in it, I would think some should be usable for TT - but I'm not quite to that stage yet.
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Re: Decals

Postby j p » Tue Sep 16, 2014 2:41 am

scaro wrote:I hope so Richard, though I am dubious about it because it's not a matter of just heralds. For example , there are a number of cases where the full name of the RR is spelt out on the boxcar, eg, Soo Line or CNW, and you'd still have to come up with something for those or laboriously decal one letter at a time which sounds a recipe for wasting time and getting a horribly uneven result to me.

Some RRs, like the Rock Island, could never make up their mind on one size of lettering or one scheme, and so for those RRs Microscale offers a selection of sizes which is handy.

OTOH there are RRs like the Missouri Pacific or the Seaboard Coast Line, who were much more uniform in lettering sizes and so for those ... you're sunk, it's custom decals or nothing.

Given it is such a nice model, I wish the manufacturer of the Fowler boxcar had considered lettering it in a few more prototypical schemes, CNW, CMO, M&StL, Rock Island, Illinois Central, or even offering decals. A lot of work went into making a superior molding for this car, so why bypass the real paint schemes and give preference to a paint scheme like ATSF or CN, which instantly renders it a model of nothing?


Something can be done about that. Unfortunately, I don't have any good pictures of the Fowler cars.
Have you got some pictures or do you know a good book about the Fowler cars?

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Re: Decals

Postby scaro » Tue Sep 16, 2014 4:28 am

hi jp, yes there is some information:

http://www.cnwhs.org/cnwhs_modeler/Modeler_3_1.pdf for the M&StL cars

http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/mode ... 4main.html

the CNW car allegedly with a few minor errors on reweight dates which are unlikely to bother anyone much.

http://oscalemag.com/wordpress/building ... ne-boxcar/

the rock island version


i'll have to hunt for information on the IC cars 11000-11344, but it should be possible to a very generic set that would suit it. they were allegedly built prior to the patent and so haven't been noted before. ray breyer's research unearthed them. here is 11346 which is evidently from a different series and looks like it might have been rebuilt from an early auto car? you'd imagine the IC fowlers would have had a similar lettering scheme.

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/ic/ic11346jpa.jpg


westerfield stuff on 'true fowlers'

https://id18538.securedata.net/westerfi ... p?cPath=40

and the clones

https://id18538.securedata.net/westerfi ... p?cPath=55
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Re: Decals

Postby gerhard_k » Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:50 am

scaro wrote:hi jp, yes there is some information:
http://www.cnwhs.org/cnwhs_modeler/Modeler_3_1.pdf for the M&StL cars
http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/mode ... 4main.html
the CNW car allegedly with a few minor errors on reweight dates which are unlikely to bother anyone much.
http://oscalemag.com/wordpress/building ... ne-boxcar/
the rock island https://id18538.securedata.net/westerfi ... p?cPath=55 version

i'll have to hunt for information on the IC cars but it should be possible to a very generic set that would suit it. they were allegedly built prior to the patent and so haven't been noted before.

westerfield stuff on 'true fowlers'
https://id18538.securedata.net/westerfi ... p?cPath=40
and the clones
https://id18538.securedata.net/westerfi ... p?cPath=55

Ben - great info, but the Rock Island link needs to have the "island" taken off the front...
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Re: Decals

Postby scaro » Tue Sep 16, 2014 12:47 pm

yes, my error, i think that link was posted in betwen the 'rock island' and 'version' by mistake. corrected it. i've added a link on what the IC car might have looked like.
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Re: Decals (genus "Fowleri")

Postby Richard-B » Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:55 am

Some draft artwork from my file:
BF9-12-FowlerClone_revB.jpg
Fowler variations
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Re: Decals

Postby scaro » Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:41 am

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/ic/ic11346jpa.jpg

what do folk think is going on with the door of this car in Jim Parker's photo?
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Re: Decals

Postby Richard-B » Wed Sep 17, 2014 12:06 pm

scaro wrote:http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/ic/ic11346jpa.jpg
what do folk think is going on with the door of this car in Jim Parker's photo?

The car looks like it has remnants of a paper 'grain door'...
Since the photo was taken in 1956, I wonder if the 40+ year-old door had rusted out in the middle of the panel, and the boards were a quick-fix to stop a grain leak.

I really doubt they would have continued using the car in this condition...
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