close up shot of of lionel F3 cab and nose?

close up shot of of lionel F3 cab and nose?

Postby scaro » Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:26 pm

hi i used to have one of these but it went adrift in a move ...

i'm wondering if someone can please post a close-up shot of the cab and nose. i want to assess its scratchbuilding potential.

cheers, ben
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Re: close up shot of of lionel F3 cab and nose?

Postby AstroGoat760 » Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:52 pm

Here are some links that include pictures I took of my Lionel TT fleet.
lionel-1-120-scale-model-locomotives-t793.html
lok-n-roll-f-3-t1586.html#p21291
Are these close-up enough photos? At current time, all of my Lionel F-3s are in storage in Tallapoosa, GA; but I will be getting them out between the 10th and 15th of April, 2013, and can upload better photos then.
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Re: close up shot of of lionel F3 cab and nose?

Postby scaro » Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:19 am

thanks, i did see those.

it is a close up of the cab and nose that i really need to see in detail.

cheers, ben
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Re: close up shot of of lionel F3 cab and nose?

Postby Richard-B » Wed Mar 27, 2013 3:15 pm

scaro wrote:it is a close up of the cab and nose that i really need to see in detail.


Espee of course:
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Lionel F3 Shell - front


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Lionel F3 Shell - Cab right front
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Re: close up shot of of lionel F3 cab and nose?

Postby scaro » Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:01 pm

thanks richard, that's brilliant.

the headlight's in an odd position.

from this i assume the TT loco is probably a model of an O scale lionel F3.

i'm wondering if it might be better all round to carve my own F unit nose.
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Re: close up shot of of lionel F3 cab and nose?

Postby areibel » Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:08 pm

You hit it Ben, both Lionels are models of their O scale stuff- close, but not real close!
The overall shape isn't bad, but the headlight is the big issue. It's way too small, so it looks odd compared to a real F unit. When I finally get my mill set up I want to try and drill it our enough to epoxy in a piece of 3/16 brass tube then sculpt it in, I think (hope?) it will look much better,
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Re: close up shot of of lionel F3 cab and nose?

Postby Richard-B » Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:30 pm

areibel wrote:The overall shape isn't bad, but the headlight is the big issue. It's way too small, so it looks odd compared to a real F unit. When I finally get my mill set up I want to try and drill it our enough to epoxy in a piece of 3/16 brass tube then sculpt it in, I think (hope?) it will look much better,

I agree with Al... the headlight[s] -are- a major issue:
and depending on the prototype, some used larger number boards like the SP.
A door "insert" with a second headlamp is also on-order!
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Re: close up shot of of lionel F3 cab and nose?

Postby scaro » Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:42 pm

i think i find the front window shape and slope (the post inclines towards the roof at too sharp an angle from the side view) to be the major issues. i'm not sure there's any way to remedy either.

[edit after a night's rest :] guess some filing and sanding would help. as al said, the overall shape isn't too bad and it's not an easy thing to get right.

picturing it with a respaced headlight and some window glazing, it would probably pass muster.

considering the stage we are at in TT, there have been worse model Fs, ie every F unit made in the first generation of N scale; whether by minitrix, fleischmann, arnold, bachmann, roco, they were all awful. lima got the nose right, but made sure it was an'own goal' by shortening the body to fit on an existing euro chassis.

if anyone has one spare they might like to part with, please PM me.

ben
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Re: close up shot of of lionel F3 cab and nose?

Postby scaro » Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:26 pm

a bit of progress tonight in having a stab at making an EMD nose.

i imagine though that it is the windshield area which causes the problems.

on a real F unit, is the cab windshield glass a flat pane, or is it curved?

regards

ben
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Re: close up shot of of lionel F3 cab and nose?

Postby AstroGoat760 » Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:07 am

scaro wrote:a bit of progress tonight in having a stab at making an EMD nose.

i imagine though that it is the windshield area which causes the problems.

on a real F unit, is the cab windshield glass a flat pane, or is it curved?

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The windows are flat glass, at least on the F-units I have been inside (F-7 and FL-9).
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