Bone Valley Models on Shapeways

Bone Valley Models on Shapeways

Postby scaro » Fri Dec 13, 2013 12:59 pm

Just thought I'd give Alex of Bone Valley a bit of a plug as he has actually increased his range of TT models.

https://www.shapeways.com/shops/boneval ... +Scale&s=0

He pulled a range of N models due to Shapeways changing their requirements, but he's replicated just about everything he had in N in TT. This is an interesting change and I wonder if N's misfortune could be TT's advantage?

If all TTers would just model Florida or Georgia in the 70s, as a scale we would have no wagon problems at all.
About all we need is a pulpwood flat or two.

However, consider that things like nine and 14 panel three bay hoppers and the six and eight panel two bay hoppers are appropriate for scores of railroads and all are well made. The particular design of 'jumbo' woodchip hopper was mainly a SCL and West Point Route wagon but roamed all over the Southeast. There may have been other owners.

I can say from having had numerous of his models that the design is sound and aside from one wagon, which softened, the others have held up just as well as wagons produced by any other modality. None of the eight other wagons I have has suffered any deterioration or bowing. Only one has any appreciable 'contouring' such that it requires a bit of a sanding. The others don't need any more than a light go over with the glass paper.

I see we have Railbox cars and appropriate decals ... these wagons would fit well in that world. Alex has drawings from which decals can be done, if folk want them.

I have no link other than being a satisfied customer.

Cheers, Ben
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Re: Bone Valley Models on Shapeways

Postby j p » Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:44 pm

Prototype info would help a lot.
Something like those excellent prototype guides made by Marquette for Gold Coast cars and G-31 gondolas.
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Re: Bone Valley Models on Shapeways

Postby ctxmf74 » Fri Dec 13, 2013 6:33 pm

"Prototype info would help a lot?"
I found all the proto info a while back. Do a search for "bone valley modeler" or something similar and it will show his website that explains what these cars are all about( some kind of mining operation in florida apparently) .DaveB
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Re: Bone Valley Models on Shapeways

Postby j p » Fri Dec 13, 2013 7:32 pm

ctxmf74 wrote:"Prototype info would help a lot?"
I found all the proto info a while back. Do a search for "bone valley modeler" or something similar and it will show his website that explains what these cars are all about( some kind of mining operation in florida apparently) .DaveB


Yes, I know about that.
What would be interesting for me is what else could those models be used for?
Mining operation somewhere else?
He has also some generic hoppers without any detailed prototype information.
If you look at Marquette's guide, it is about many prototypes which (more or less) match the model.
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Re: Bone Valley Models on Shapeways

Postby scaro » Sat Dec 14, 2013 5:25 am

Wagons with the 'H' and 'U' and classification are originally Atlantic Coast Line classes used in the Bone Valley in Florida for wet rock phosphate traffic to the port of Tampa. However, such wagons were used by ACL and later SCL at other places in the South East and in interchange service, carrying gravel, aggregates and the like.

You could see the open top hoppers, like the U15, anywhere. In terms of the covered hoppers, they are more limited to the Bone Valley though probably also in other phosphate mining areas. If you wanted a large number of the open ones, although not just seen around Tampa, they would still be more typical of the south east, as are the woodchip hoppers.

The SE had its industrial rise in the postwar period and a lot of this was extractive industries. Like many rail operations that serve such industries, you get a lot of wagons in one train, and they don't roam far from where they work.

However, the open 2 bay and triple hoppers are generic designs that worked all over the US, and just about every railroad in the country had two bay versions and scores of RRs had the 14 and nine panel triple hoppers. The 14 panel was a design first used by the NYC i think, check the Bluford Models website; they made an N version and have done it in schemes for a huge number of railroads. You could very easily have a rake of these at any mine or quarry anywhere in the country. These are not specialised wagons limited to an area, Alex made them because I asked for a few 'generic' wagons.

We are indeed fortunate to have Marquette's guides but I must have missed the rule that said this information has to be provided for everything that's ever released. I do not think it is reasonable to expect anyone to compile information for something so generic.

Googling 'two-bay open hopper' is not exactly a research task beyond the wit of man.
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Re: Bone Valley Models on Shapeways

Postby j p » Sat Dec 14, 2013 6:53 am

It is close to impossible for me to make a general research when not knowing what to search for.
But if the basic information is provided, I can borrow some books through inter-library service to get the details. Of course, I don't have access to any archives for higher quality pictures.
+ I have many other projects waiting. So it is not likely that I would buy if the use of the models is limited only to the Bone Valley - unless I make a new layout with Bone Valley theme.
The 2bay and 3bay hoppers need to be matched with suitable prototypes. There were dozens of different types of 2- and 3-bay hoppers. They may look similar, but they were not the same. I can try to match them with Pennsy prototypes:
2 bay hopper 6 panel: no Pennsy prototype
2 bay hopper 8 panel: no Pennsy prototype, it looks almost like SCL hopper http://www.trainweb.org/hvsry/SCL%20160835%20Hopper%20-%20Roster.jpg
tripple hopper 9 panel: no Pennsy prototype, can be used for WM hopper with some kitbashing
tripple hopper 14 panel: no Pennsy prototype
I don't have any books on other railroads' hoppers. So this is all own research I can do.
Why do you think it should be done backwards? Wouldn't it be easier if the designer also provided the info about the prototype he used for his model (as he did for the Bone Valley prototypes)?
I don't expect anyone to make a research on them but the one who wants to sell them. No info = no buyers.
Why would I buy expensive shapeway print and then have to redo almost everything?
It is possible that his 3D design can be modified to match some prototypes (add missing rivet rows, modify number and size of the panels etc.). I don't think it is worth the work though.
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Re: Bone Valley Models on Shapeways

Postby scaro » Sat Dec 14, 2013 7:29 am

the match between model and prototype is down to the individual modeller. i used google and found hundreds of matches for these four cars.

one can only advise that something is visible. one cannot climb into another person's head and see it for him.

shrug. best i can do.
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Re: Bone Valley Models on Shapeways

Postby j p » Sat Dec 14, 2013 7:42 am

I used google too and found maybe dozens of pictures, only one of them (SCL) matching one of the hoppers (yet not suitable for making any artwork).
With the price of the shapeway print, it has to match the prototype.
I don't expect any perfect match to the prototypes from models made in 1950s and 1960s which cost around $10. But if I have to pay $60+ for a car, it has to be better than that.
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Re: Bone Valley Models on Shapeways

Postby ctxmf74 » Sat Dec 14, 2013 2:59 pm

"Alex made them because I asked for a few 'generic' wagons"
Do you know him well enough to ask for a PFE 57 foot mechanical reefer model? I could use a small fleet of these :>) ....DaveB
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Re: Bone Valley Models on Shapeways

Postby scaro » Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:12 pm

ctxmf74 wrote:"Alex made them because I asked for a few 'generic' wagons"
Do you know him well enough to ask for a PFE 57 foot mechanical reefer model? I could use a small fleet of these :>) ....DaveB


did you ever think you might just ask him yourself?
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