713 couplers

713 couplers

Postby jmass » Sat Aug 08, 2015 3:21 pm

Running some trains today i have come to the conclusion that n scale couplers just dont cut it. Reverse moves are really tough on n scale couplers so i want to switch them out with 713 or 714 couplers. i cant seem to find any ready made and can only find the kadee that you have to build yourself. Went that direction once and ended up loosing a bunch of springs. Does any mfg make these complete?
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Re: 713 couplers

Postby Arseny » Sat Aug 08, 2015 4:14 pm

Yeah, it's very easy to lose some springs. :smile:
But you are just to practise a little...
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Re: 713 couplers

Postby AstroGoat760 » Sat Aug 08, 2015 5:59 pm

I do not know of anyone that sells assembled Kadee 713/714s, but I do know that Kadee sells packs of extra springs for them.
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Re: 713 couplers

Postby TiTan downunder » Sat Aug 08, 2015 8:06 pm

Kadee also sell an assembly jig ( # 702 ) that might be of help.

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Re: 713 couplers

Postby Tom Dempsey » Sat Aug 08, 2015 9:22 pm

Are you sure that the problem is the couplers? I've made reverse moves in both N and HOn3 with fairly long trains without issue. The couplers are all the same design, and when I have had reverse move problems, it was invariably the track or coupler installation that was at fault. Is your problem with the same cars, or occurring in the same location, or with the same two cars coupled together?
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Re: 713 couplers

Postby MacG » Sun Aug 09, 2015 1:54 pm

Kaddee offers their 713 and 714 only as unassembled kits.

I have the same question like Tom, what ist the problem with the N couplers? :think:
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Re: 713 couplers

Postby jmass » Sun Aug 09, 2015 2:43 pm

I use Mchenry style couplers and my problem in reverse is the couplers seem to buckle in on themselves. they are screwed and glued in place so the couplers are not loose. they are all even height but sometimes dont seem to want to couple. the mtb cars i have all have 714s and i have no problems at all with those, so i will just switch them all out so they will be uniform.
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Re: 713 couplers

Postby areibel » Sun Aug 09, 2015 3:53 pm

You're using N scale McHenry couplers?
I don't have any personal experience with them, but I've got a mix of Kadee 713/714 and Microtrains N scale and they work together. But I have a friend in N scale that call the others "McJunkys" and removes them from anything they come on, he says they're not as well designed as the Kadee/MT ones.
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Re: 713 couplers

Postby j p » Sun Aug 09, 2015 6:17 pm

jmass wrote:I use Mchenry style couplers and my problem in reverse is the couplers seem to buckle in on themselves. they are screwed and glued in place so the couplers are not loose. they are all even height but sometimes dont seem to want to couple. the mtb cars i have all have 714s and i have no problems at all with those, so i will just switch them all out so they will be uniform.


Have you replaced MTB couplers by Kadee 714?
I have not even tried yet, but it is on my "to do" list. MTB couplers were supposed to be compatible with Kadee 714 to some extent.
What you describe is not "N-scale" coupler fault. Kadee style couplers MTL 1015, 1016 and 1025 would work just fine.
There are some other issues with Kadee 714 and MTL 1025 + different issues with MTL 1015/16. Kadee 714 and MTL 1025 are better for pushing, MTL 1015/16 are better for pulling trains. It has something to do with the springs in the couplers. When using old trucks (HP Products, Kemtron etc.), the rolling resistance of the truck may be sufficient to compress the springs. But if you use modern trucks (GoldCoast, MTB, Peresvet, Art&Detail) with low rolling resistance, the springs may cause oscillation in the consist (especially if the train is long), it is a "bish-bash" action of troublesome trucks known from Thomas the Tank Engine :)
MTL seems to be aware of this and therefore they add those tiny springs to be added into the bearings.
My solution is to have the last car in the train with old trucks, a "brake car".
MTL 1015/16 do the same when pushing a long train. A "brake car" helps with this too.
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