50 foot boxcar

Re: 50 foot boxcar

Postby j p » Fri May 15, 2015 2:23 pm

MacG wrote:I think, he means with printed decorated cars.


Printed means painted + lettering printed on them.
Not printed means painted without any lettering.
It has been discussed earlier.
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Re: 50 foot boxcar

Postby rdikken » Fri May 15, 2015 2:47 pm

Exactly.

1000 printed means with paint and lettering for the railroad companies mentioned before.

500 unprinted means the kit in 2 colours without lettering.

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Re: 50 foot boxcar

Postby sacto-tt » Fri May 15, 2015 3:57 pm

Thanks MacG and Rob. So many people were trying to tell Rob what he should do that it was getting a little confusing as to what the end result was going to be.

At the risk of being "one of those guys" any thoughts on printing some with no road numbers? It is generally pretty easy to remove them and renumber, but sometimes laziness gets the best of me. :crazy:
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Re: 50 foot boxcar

Postby rdikken » Fri May 15, 2015 4:24 pm

Hi sacto-tt,

There will be a project documentation, where you exactly can see what will be produced.

1000 printed will be: GBW 112008, 112009, 112011, NP 1103, 1130, 1191, 1205, PRR 72711, 72732, 72768, 72849 and Erie 63016, 63057, 63087, 63184.
500 unprinted are kits without decoration only in 2 colours brown.

Of course this is the actual situation based on a first caculation done by the supplier.

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Re: 50 foot boxcar

Postby sacto-tt » Fri May 15, 2015 5:40 pm

Thanks Rob, awesome information as always.
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Re: 50 foot boxcar

Postby rdikken » Sun May 24, 2015 11:16 am

Roughly the planning:
- till October: formulate all the technical requirements to get a correct quotation from the supplier
- October: quotation
- November till December: costs / profit analysis on base of the quotation, pre-order boxcars
- January 2016: go or no go, confirm quotation
- February till March: egineering phase resulting in mold drawings
- March: final check technical drawings, first 3D prototype
- April: go or no go creating molds
- May till October: production molds, first prototypes
- November till December: production boxcars
- January till February 2017: available on the market

The planning is in the reality more complex. On a regular base I will let you know the status of the planning. After August I will know what kind of molds we will get, 2D or 3D. (GC boxcars were created from 2D molds) In December I hope to get some (pre-)orders from you. January, we will make the balance.

Around March I will aks again if there is somebody available for a final check of the drawings before he molds are created.

As you can see, it will take some time.

In a few days, you will get my project documentation.

Ciao,
Rob
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Re: 50 foot boxcar

Postby Richard-B » Sun May 24, 2015 11:26 am

rdikken wrote:I will know what kind of molds we will get, 2D or 3D
To Clarify:
2D molds = 'flat kit'; = less mold tooling cost.... more assembly cost
3D molds = 2-part body with some combination of roof, 2 sides, 2 ends, floor; = more mold tooling cost... less assembly cost/difficulty
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Re: 50 foot boxcar

Postby rdikken » Sun Sep 27, 2015 9:18 am

Next week I will have a second quotation for the 50ft AAR boxcar. Till now the sales of the tank cars is not that high to justify a large investment in an even larger adventure called the "AAR boxcar".

What does that mean at this moment? Nothing, I will wait till January 2016 to have more data for making a better decision.

Ater 2 years of investments in TT and of course in US TT cars, I have to ask myself: is there a chance of
getting my money back or not? How high can the investment be? Should I wait longer? In other words,
is the bussines plan still valid? That is the decision I am talking about.


Independent from that decision are the waffle car project, the gondola project, a project with a new car from MTB on the market probably at the beginning of 2016 and buying a few Dash 9 kits from Ingo to be delivered in a SP livery.

Dependent from this decision is the RS3 project, where I would buy 20 pcs from Ingo to be delivered in a PRR livery. The investment for this project is also higher.

Anyway in 2 weeks I hope to give you some more information about the waffle boxcar and the new car from MTB. You will find that under "Zeuke-TT, what's new?"

Ciao,
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Re: 50 foot boxcar

Postby rdikken » Fri Jan 15, 2016 6:08 am

Had this week a long talk about the 50 ft boxcar with the supplier. Investment is still too high and if I look to the sales of my tank car the turnover is too low. This means I will postpone this project for 2 a 3 years. Against that time I will look again if it is economical possible to make that car.

This year Zeuke-TT will release at least 2 cars, probably 3:
- the hopper, prototype available in February
- 60ft waflle car, prototype available in February
- gondola to be expected in the end of this year / beginning 2017

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Re: 50 foot boxcar

Postby jmass » Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:50 pm

Hi Rob, anything new on the 60 foot waffle car. or the gondola?
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