Germany - DB AG and private Railways

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Re: Germany - DB AG and private Railways

Postby Juup » Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:03 pm

Forgot to mention ... there are supports that swing out on each end/side - four in all.
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Re: Germany - DB AG and private Railways

Postby LVG1 » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:21 pm

Let's continue this thread.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know series E05 and E06 have never been offered in TT-scale.
So the next one should be series 109 and 142.

Series 109 (inter city and commuter train version):
  • There were two prototype locomotives made in 1961 (E11 001 and E11 002). There were only minor differences between them and the first batch. Externally, the prototype locos are discernible by the non-rounded angles of the radiator grilles.
  • The first batch was made as series E11 (from 1970 on series 211, from 1992 on series 109) in 1962 and comprised 40 units.
  • The second batch of 54 units was made in 1976. It had a different arrangement of radiator grilles. While the first batch had four double grilles per side, the second batch had six single grilles.

Prototype locomotive in standard livery of the 1980's
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First batch in 1960's and early 1970' livery:
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First batch in late 1970' and 1980's livery:
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Second batch in Leipzig suburban railroad's livery which only two locomotives got:
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Second batch in a livery which only few locomotives got in the 1990's:
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Series 142 (commuter and freight train version):
  • The two prototype locomotives were made in 1963. Basically, they were like series E11, but had a different gear ratio for lower top speed and higher tractive effort and cheeper more simple controls. There was no external difference between them and the first batch.
  • The first batch of series E42 (from 1970 on series 242, from 1992 on series 142) was externally identical to the first batch of series 109. Production started in 1963.
  • The second batch looked like the second batch of series 109 and was made until 1976. All together (prototypes, first and second batch) there were 292 locomotives made.
  • From 1985 to 1991 22 units of the series 211 got a different gear ratio, so their performance parameters (top speed and tractive effort) became identical to series 242. But because they kept their different controls, they didn't become identical to series 242. These 22 locomotives were renumbered into series 242.3 (from 1992 on series 1423).

Prototype locomotive in 1980's livery:
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First batch in initial livery:
Does anybody have an idea, how to make it visible? "http://www.drehscheibe-foren.de/foren/file.php?17,file=24121"
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Second batch in late 1970's and 1980's livery:
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Second batch in rare 1990's livery:
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Second batch in last DB-livery:
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Series 1423 in 1980's livery:
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Rebuilds:
In the 1990's Swiss Lokoop AG bought several locomotives of the series 142 (mainly second batch). They modernized them and equipped them with dynamic breaking. Some were additionally regeared, so that they were as fast as series 109. These locomotives were leased out to various Swiss private railroads. After the bankrupt of Lokoop's owner MThB, most of these locomotives were sold back to Germany. Several of them are still used by a German private railroad.

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Technical data:
  • length over buffers: 16.32 m (53 feet, 6 ½ inches)
  • wheel arrangement: B0' B0'
  • top speed:
    • series E11 / 211 / 109: 120 km/h (75 mph)
    • series E42 / 242 / 142: 100 km/h (62 mph)
  • effective power:
    • E11 prototypes, first five E11 units of the first batch, E42 prototypes: 2,600 kW
    • others: 2,740 kW
  • weight: 82 metric tons

In the 1970's and 1980's TT-scale models of the first batches of both series E11 / 211 and series E42 / 242 were made by Gützold and distributed by Zeuke and Berliner TT-Bahnen, respectively.
But I'm not informed about models made later. I only know there are some. So please complete the enumeration.
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Re: Germany - DB AG and private Railways

Postby LVG1 » Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:32 pm

By the way:

Railroaders call series E11 / 211 / 109 and series E42 / 242 / 142 "Holzroller" ("Wooden Scooter") because of their extremely simple but robust construction.
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Re: Germany - DB AG and private Railways

Postby ConducTTor » Mon Jul 08, 2013 3:37 pm

One of my favorite locomotives. Thanks!
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Re: Germany - DB AG and private Railways

Postby LVG1 » Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:38 am

ConducTTor wrote:One of my favorite locomotives.


It's not my favorite but I like it, too.
At most locomotives, the doors lead to corridors behind the cab. The doors of these locomotives lead directly into the cab. This detail gives them a kind of hospitable and likeable appearance.
But on the other hand, this detail is rather unfunctional in daily use because the doors have proved to very often become permeable.

I have driven locomotives of this type two times. Both times it was a mixed freight train from Seddin (near Potsdam) to Leipzig-Engelsdorf. One time it was a locomotive of the second batch of series 142. The other one belonged to series 1423.
One of these locomotives still had the original Knorr driver's brake valve. It was very stiff. I had to through in my whole weight to be able to brake the train at all.

By the way:
I was wondering why the image of 142 120-5 looks kind of familiar to me. Now I think I know why. This photo seems to be taken at Seddin depot (which was my "home depot" that time) immediately beside the turntable. But I'm not sure; other depots look similar.


Some German private railroads still use this type of locomotive.
(My information is from 2009; so possibly not correct any more.)
  • Eisenbahn-Gesellschaft Potsdam (EGP; Railroad Company Potsdam) has two units of the first batch of series 109. They use them for freight traffic all over Germany.

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  • Georg Verkehrsorganisation (GVG; Georg Traffic Organizing) has four units of series 109. One of them is of the first, the others of the second batch. One or two of these locomotives are used for spare parts canibalizing. The others are used to pull the night train between Berlin and Malmö on the German segment of its journey.

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  • Muldental-Eisenbahnverkehrsgesellschaft (MTEG; Mulde Valley Railroad Traffic Company) has the first prototype locomotive of series 142 (142 001-7) and uses it in its initial livery for freight traffic all over Germany.

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  • Centralbahn has one unit of the second batch of series 142. But I don't know what they use it for—I guess, special trains and some freight.

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  • All 21 modernized locomotives reimported from Switzerland are owned by Deutsche Privatbahn (DP; German Private Railroad). About two thirds of them are still in use—partially leased to other railroads. They can be seen all over Germany in freight service.
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Re: Germany - DB AG and private Railways

Postby Rich B » Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:25 am

I know of at least one other in private use. 142110 owned by Erfurter Bahnservice, seen here at Pirna wth distinctly non-traditional company.

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Re: Germany - DB AG and private Railways

Postby LVG1 » Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:47 pm

Rich B wrote:... wth distinctly non-traditional company.


Swiss Re421 have become a common sight in Germany for some years.

I've also found pictures of this locomotive (142 110-6). But I couldn't find it in my list of 2009. May be it was reactivated later.
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Re: Germany - DB AG and private Railways

Postby LVG1 » Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:29 pm

Does anybody know something about current manufacturers of TT-scale models of series 109 and 142 and about the versions made?
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Re: Germany - DB AG and private Railways

Postby ConducTTor » Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:58 pm

Both Tillig and Kuhn have made (and probably still make) many versions of this loco. I prefer the Kuhn but they are both well done.
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Postby ConducTTor » Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:12 pm

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